#9303823 - 04/17/18 11:19 AM
marathon strategy.
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charlie_td1
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So I'm signed up for marine corps marathon, which will be run on OCT 28 this year. My goal is to try and go for BQ. MCM isn't the ideal course for BQ, as it's a little hilly and very crowded.
Do I also sign up for Philly (NOV 16)? I'm worried that it's a little close in terms of schedule. I don't know the 3 weeks is enough to recover+prep.
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#9303866 - 04/17/18 12:01 PM
Re: marathon strategy.
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dirtyS13drifta
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I think it depends on your weekly milage now.
Like if you have a steep ramp up till october, you might risk peaking in october and needing time off. Like you'll probably still finish strong in Nov, but maybe not "peak".
But if you're mostly in shape (40-50 mile weeks) and just sharpening your skills/speed/etc. 3 weeks seems pretty recoverable. You won't really be doing "prep" 3 weeks out anyhow.
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#9303920 - 04/17/18 12:36 PM
Re: marathon strategy.
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charlie_td1
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I'm hovering around 35 mile weeks right now, about to ramp up to 40-45 in the next 3 weeks or so. Rest week for me this week.
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#9303926 - 04/17/18 12:42 PM
Re: marathon strategy.
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Kevin Returneth
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I think the strategy around having [2] marathons that close together with a time goal is to decide around mile 18 or so if 'today is the day', as thats the go/no-go point to pack it in and try again at the next one.
I definitely wouldnt do both, but I'm a bitch. If prep isnt going well and theres some kind of an injury that might clear up in the delta between the races, thats one of the scenarios to punt completely on the first one. Or use the first one as a half race to evaluate fitness for the thon 3 weeks later.
Or, 2 complete shots at a BQ as you're right on the edge of where you'll be mostly recovered. But 30-45 mpw sounds like you dont do enough mileage to be completely recovered in 3 weeks unless you're really tough or something.
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#9303933 - 04/17/18 12:54 PM
Re: marathon strategy.
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charlie_td1
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The 30-45 a week right now is more for durability than anything. I will admit I'm a bit of a glass cannon and injury prone. I'm holding back on the mileage on purpose.
The 18 mile go/no-go decision point is something I've considered as well, and may be the best approach.
Call it stupid, call it pride, but I would hate to run a marathon from the start at what I know is not my 100%.
Edited by Chas, Chuck, Charles, etc. (04/17/18 12:54 PM)
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#9303959 - 04/17/18 01:16 PM
Re: marathon strategy.
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charlie_td1
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you're absolutely right; people look at me like i'm stupid when I tell them that marathons start at mile 20.
I guess I'm pushing hard this year because of my progress the last few years:
2014: 3:40.xx 2015: 3:27.xx 2016: 3:18.xx 2017: Off
That 3:18 should have easily been sub 3:15, but I stupidly forgot to eat after mile 15 and I smacked into a wall at 21. I said it on the other running thread, but I really feel like I'm right at the edge of BQ.
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#9304177 - 04/17/18 06:58 PM
Re: marathon strategy.
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Sir Ironpool
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As a 2x Boston qualifier (brag!) I’ll give you my two cents.
If your sole goal is to qualify, then pick the race that gives you the best odds that are outside of your control. Course profile, weather, crowds...whatever, then put everything you have into it. There are so many marathons out there now, you could easily find another one to do if you bomb that A race but want to parlay your fitness into another attempt. I think your 3:18 is a great indicator that you can do it. You know how to run “fast” at the distance, and you’ve learned from your mistakes. It took me 3 attempts to nail mine, but the third one I went in with the mentality that I was going to succeed no matter what. I didn’t give myself a B goal. I trained specifically for it (didn’t follow a plan or anything though) and defied conventional wisdom and ran as many miles as I could at race pace. No track workouts, no fartleks, just running every day that I could at that 7:10 or whatever pace, regardless of distance. I think I peaked at 70 miles per week. A huge part of it is the mind game. You have to run the race on that knife edge and push through any walls you hit. It’s all in your head anyways.
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