vwkaferman
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11/08/08 06:11 PM
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Dyno'd my Suzuki Bandit :(
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Well, finally got the pig dyno'd. I never did do a baseline, so I have no idea how much power my goodies added.
No sense in farting around:
Looks like 106 HP @ around 8800rpm & 71ft-lbs of torque almost across the board.
Now, why the sad face? I've got Dale's Stage II jet kit, K&N pods, timing advancer, and his high pipe slip on. I installed all with the recommended base settings, and over a period of 6 months, adjusted the needles up and down to get rid of stumble.
I thought I'd be closer to 115hp and a little bit more torque. The Dyno guy said that it was corrected HP for sea level and all that but to be honest, I've seen a million dyno graphs and this one just doesn't seem to have much info. No Barometric pressure, humidity, temp so I could at least plug some #'s in and recalculate. I think we're at around 1100 feet or so, and it was about 60ish this morning.
Looks like I'll be getting Dale's stepped header (Dale Walker, Holeshot Performance) sooner than I thought. The only thing the Dyno operator mentioned that it looked a little lean at cruise. So, I can dial in maybe a 1/4 turn out on the A/F screws to see if it helps that but otherwise, I think I have everything set to where it needs to be.
James
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Impulsive
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(Post Master Supreme)
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11/08/08 07:30 PM
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Re: Dyno'd my Suzuki Bandit :(
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I've read that you want to be slightly richer than stoich to make sure all the air has access to fuel for max power. Somewhere in the 13.5-14:1 range.
Maybe it's a tiny bit leaner than it should be through the whole range.
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vwkaferman
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(Post Master Supreme)
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11/08/08 07:40 PM
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Re: Dyno'd my Suzuki Bandit :(
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Thanks fellas. Well, I've got the biggest jets installed that came with the kit. I wonder if turning my Air/Fuel screws out a 1/4 at a time and maybe adjusting the needles one more notch towards the richer side would help. I thought it was running rich to begin with (before the Dyno). Hmmm might have to take a look at a few things.
I tuned it using a link Factory Pro has, it seems to be pretty much dialed in per that. Can't hurt to play, as long as I make the changes, it's free and Dyno is only $30.
Thanks again.
James
*Edit* Adding link in case others out there haven't seen it or wanted to take a look: Factory Pro Carb tuning
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Re: Dyno'd my Suzuki Bandit :(
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Too bad you didn't get a baseline. What's your butt dyno tell you about the mods?
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daemon
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(Post Master Sr)
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11/09/08 10:09 AM
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Re: Dyno'd my Suzuki Bandit :(
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Time to get some GSX-R1100 goodies.
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Scargoes
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11/09/08 02:39 PM
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Re: Dyno'd my Suzuki Bandit :(
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If the dashed line on your air/fuel is stoichiometric, it looks a little leaner than I like across the board, especially 4-6k rpm.
I think the dashed line is supposed to represent 13:1. Anyway, iirc, for best power on an N/A setup the AF should be near 12.8:1. At least that was always my understanding.
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Re: Dyno'd my Suzuki Bandit :(
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Seems strong to me, but I have a warped view. If I had another 40 wheel hp and 30lb/ft I would have to redifine fast for myself. Actually I keep knocking around the idea of either buying a new Bandit 1250S for a second bike, or selling they SV to get a Bandit. I kind of want something better suited to long hauls.
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Re: Dyno'd my Suzuki Bandit :(
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Going about tuning fuel by specifying a target AFR is not the best idea.
Also, I can't comment about your cruise AFR, since it is not indicated on a dyno chart. The best thing you could do, is get a wideband o2 controller, put it on the bike, and make some changes. Cruise & idle = stoichiometric or leaner, unless it doesn't idle nicely at stoich. With carbs everything is a balancing act and you probably couldn't make any changes without fucking up the top-end perfection you've achieved.
Maximum power AFR is a function of brake specific fuel consumption (which is influenced by VE, other efficiencies and losses, combustion chamber shape, etc.) On a bike, maybe you are able to really play with fuel to a point of perfection, but on a car, fueling is a means of thermal management and ignition timing determines power. You always run rich of WOT best power.
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GB
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(Post Master Supreme)
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12/09/08 04:13 PM
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Re: Dyno'd my Suzuki Bandit :(
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bump because he got a header.
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vwkaferman
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(Post Master Supreme)
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12/09/08 08:09 PM
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Re: Dyno'd my Suzuki Bandit :(
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Haha fucker! Yeah, I really hope I can sneak away from work this week to get another run in on the dyno. It seems to scream towards redline a bit faster. Both due to the header and minor tweaks I did to the needles (tad richer). Of course it could all be in my head as the weather is even cooler.
Maybe Friday?
Gotta post a pic, old vs. new:
James
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Noob4Life
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(Post Master Supreme)
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12/09/08 10:05 PM
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Re: Dyno'd my Suzuki Bandit :(
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Shoulda got a Suzuki Escudo Pike's Peak Version if you wanted megahuge HP's.
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Re: Dyno'd my Suzuki Bandit :(
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LOL, reppin' the GT2?
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Re: Dyno'd my Suzuki Bandit :(
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Well, yep...as far as car's go, you're shooting for ~12.5:1 or so...if you were at 12.8, it would be a big deal to try and get another few tenths on way or the other.
The thing I'd caution you against doing is trying to fiddle with air/fuel mixture screws in any way, shape, or form to get the AFR you want. 1) It won't make a significant difference in the mixture at full power. 2) It may significantly worsen the part throttle/idle performance of the bike. 3) It may worsen the throttle response, likely inducing another bog/stumble. From the sounds of it, you didn't do too much...BUT, you could be being crutched along by colder/denser/less humid air too. Always approach fiddling with mixture screws VERY cautiously.
IF for some reason you can't find the jet's you need....do it the old school way. Drill them out. There are generally reference charts that'll show what each jet correlates to as far as drill bit sizes. IF the red line is truly 13:1 (which it perhaps is...you might actually get a little back-fire running 14.7:1 under full power), I'm not so sure I'd touch it...perhaps going up one, perhaps two sizes at most. If the line DOES represent 14.7:1, then safely go up two sizes and leave alone until you can check the full-power AFR on a dyno again. You might go anywhere from 2-6 sizes bigger (though I think 2-3 would net you something pretty close).
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Noob4Life
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12/10/08 08:02 PM
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Re: Dyno'd my Suzuki Bandit :(
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wasn't it GT1? or was a fully built 3000GT still the king of HP in GT1?
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daemon
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(Post Master Sr)
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12/10/08 08:26 PM
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Re: Dyno'd my Suzuki Bandit :(
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I think the Viper was king in GT1.
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Chris_82
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12/11/08 01:48 PM
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Re: Dyno'd my Suzuki Bandit :(
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Hp was everything in that shit, 3kgt was the king.
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Re: Dyno'd my Suzuki Bandit :(
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Not at all. The cebera LM was THE car....
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09/27/17 05:41 AM
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Re: Dyno'd my Suzuki Bandit :(
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