(Post Master Supreme)

11/18/14 07:40 PM

All I can say about drugs...

is they work...

fucking struggled to ever hit a 300lb bench press... Got so close so many times, but best i ever managed was a 295...

consider i wrecked my bike at the end of July, and dislocated my shoulder, tore my labrum and yesterday I hit 330x1, and it went up easy...

Been on gear for about 12 weeks now, and only started really benching again about 8 weeks ago...?

best I've felt in years, and i see no slow down in sight... back is feeling much better after hurting it trying to pull 500, but will start back into pulling this week as well...

biggest i've been by far, kinda "fat" but still have separation in my arms... i carry most of my fat in my midsection so i look leaner than I truly am...

if you're thinking about it, do your research and go for it... fuck it...

(Post Master Supreme)

11/18/14 07:54 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Oh and I'm hanging around 235 now @ 6'2"...

Started gear at 212...

(Post Master Supreme)

11/18/14 08:04 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

And then

(Post Master Supreme)

11/18/14 09:10 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

How much has it cost you the past 12 weeks?

(Post Master Sr)

11/18/14 09:23 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

What's your cycle like again?

[edit] Think I found it. 500mg test for 8 weeks, added Deca and upped test to 750 in week 9?

(Post Master Supreme)

11/18/14 09:24 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

I'm just having trouble understanding the risk vs reward here. Putting your health at risk to be able to say you lifted a certain number?

Not hating....just something I'll never understand.

(Post Master Supreme)

11/19/14 12:11 AM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Im not about it

Awesome gains dude, must feel good. I remember the first time i put up three plates.

Watch it though, you'll risk injury making crazy gains too fast

(Post Master Supreme)

11/19/14 07:59 AM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom

I'm just having trouble understanding the risk vs reward here. Putting your health at risk to be able to say you lifted a certain number?

Not hating....just something I'll never understand.

There's very little health risk unless you go full retard...

I decided to give it a try cause I just wanted more size to compete, it wasn't about hitting a number for me... That was just a bonus...

(Post Master Supreme)

11/19/14 09:44 AM

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Good feedback. I really don't have much urge to play in the game of trying this, balancing that, injections or finding some sort of stack etc.

I know Joey had mentioned an oral that seemed like a no compromise option. If that was truly the case, that would be something I'd consider. Pop a pill, workout, eat right and see some gains.

When I was around 230, I felt like a beefcake - thick/fat, but I hit the same numbers you are. I'd like to see similar/better numbers 30 pounds lighter myself.

(Post Master Supreme)

11/19/14 10:52 AM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

it sure does work.

more details in the thread I posted. Go slow mane! itll be better in the long run.

those joints still need time to catch up.

(Post Master Supreme)

11/19/14 02:45 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Originally Posted By: Impulsive

Good feedback. I really don't have much urge to play in the game of trying this, balancing that, injections or finding some sort of stack etc.

I know Joey had mentioned an oral that seemed like a no compromise option. If that was truly the case, that would be something I'd consider. Pop a pill, workout, eat right and see some gains.

When I was around 230, I felt like a beefcake - thick/fat, but I hit the same numbers you are. I'd like to see similar/better numbers 30 pounds lighter myself.

it's truly very simple and you can make quality long term gains on 2 injections a week for a long time... I personally would not fuck with orals until later in the game...

some people don't even need to manage their estrogen on 500mg test, but then others certainly will have to... i seem to be in the group that hasn't had an issue... i started adding my AI just ton control water bloat (only estrogenic side effect i've seen)... but i'm vain and don't like to be too fat... lol

adding Deca to my stack has given me joint benefits, so the added strength has not been an issue for me to date... i have yet to use any drying agents which is what in turn may cause joint problems...

after my cruise i plan to add EQ and then later add the almighty tren, but i only add one thing at a time so i know if i get negative sides I can narrow it down much easier quicker vs having to decide between 2 compounds...

(Post Master Supreme)

11/19/14 02:50 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Originally Posted By: DieZel

Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom

I'm just having trouble understanding the risk vs reward here. Putting your health at risk to be able to say you lifted a certain number?

Not hating....just something I'll never understand.

There's very little health risk unless you go full retard...

I decided to give it a try cause I just wanted more size to compete, it wasn't about hitting a number for me... That was just a bonus...

Gotcha...didn't realize you were competing. Good luck, but please...stay safe! $\:D$

(Post Master Supreme)

11/19/14 03:25 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Originally Posted By: robbbby

How much has it cost you the past 12 weeks?

(Post Master Supreme)

11/19/14 03:49 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

I guess it could be simple, but I don't even know all the terms being thrown around and what they do. Let alone correct dosage, how to be safe, how to monitor health and how to spot bad side effects.

Then, I'd have to find needles and a dealer for this and I'm already not comfortable. I'm not competing and never knew anyone who did, so I don't really have a circle of connected people.

I guess I'm a pussy as I don't really care to try this. If it was dead simple like order x and y on the web, then take 2/day or something, sure.

(Post Master Sr)

11/19/14 04:12 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Originally Posted By: Impulsive

I guess it could be simple, but I don't even know all the terms being thrown around and what they do. Let alone correct dosage, how to be safe, how to monitor health and how to spot bad side effects.

Then, I'd have to find needles and a dealer for this and I'm already not comfortable. I'm not competing and never knew anyone who did, so I don't really have a circle of connected people.

I guess I'm a pussy as I don't really care to try this. If it was dead simple like order x and y on the web, then take 2/day or something, sure.

All of that information can be learned by spending time on reputable (e.g. not bodybuilding.com) forums. Syringes and needles are legal to purchase and can be bought in bulk online. Steroids can be bought online, but obviously you run the risk of seizure, arrest, or bunk gear. Sample beginner cycles are also posted on those websites.

(Jr Member)

11/19/14 04:26 PM

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eh probably not the smartest thing to post here.

Ampsman in Extremis

(Post Master Supreme)

11/19/14 05:50 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom

Originally Posted By: DieZel

Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom

I'm just having trouble understanding the risk vs reward here. Putting your health at risk to be able to say you lifted a certain number?

Not hating....just something I'll never understand.

There's very little health risk unless you go full retard...

I decided to give it a try cause I just wanted more size to compete, it wasn't about hitting a number for me... That was just a bonus...

Gotcha...didn't realize you were competing. Good luck, but please...stay safe! $\:D$

Lets do it dude! Good excuse to inject stuff in each others butts.

(Post Master Supreme)

11/19/14 05:54 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Originally Posted By: robbbby

Originally Posted By: robbbby

How much has it cost you the past 12 weeks?

cost was about $180 over the 12 weeks... includes gear, AI, pins...

(Post Master Supreme)

11/19/14 05:55 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

While obviously sprinters were/are notorious for doping, are distance runners known for it as well (like cyclists are)?

Back in the day (like 20-25 years ago), I remember reading about all of the ligament issues as a side effect. While I'm assuming more is known about doping more "safely", that's a scary side effect for a runner.

(Post Master Supreme)

11/19/14 06:03 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

i wouldn't imagine why not, considering certain compounds increase RBC count and that'd be a huge plus for distance runners... anyone who does shit professionally is using shit and if they aren't they are not at the top of their sport...

(Post Master Supreme)

11/19/14 06:50 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Originally Posted By: g@mbola

While obviously sprinters were/are notorious for doping, are distance runners known for it as well (like cyclists are)?

Back in the day (like 20-25 years ago), I remember reading about all of the ligament issues as a side effect. While I'm assuming more is known about doping more "safely", that's a scary side effect for a runner.

Not steroids, but blood doping for sure in marathons....where the money is. Last years womens Boston champ just tested positive a few weeks ago.
In ultras...I hope not. There is pretty much zero money in the sport and it really goes against everything it's based on. There might be some, but hopefully its miniscule.

(Post Master Supreme)

11/19/14 08:41 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

One negative side effect is, it ruins your perception of working out, without them. Walking into the gym on week 10, of a 12-week cycle, you feel like a monster. You can do one set of your first work out and your body plumps up like you've been there for two hours. That feeling, like any drug, is something you chase and miss when its gone.

And diezel, man up. I used to rep 285x4 at 165lbs :P

Yeah yeah, shorter arms $\:\)$

(Post Master Supreme)

11/19/14 09:13 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Originally Posted By: DieZel

Originally Posted By: robbbby

Originally Posted By: robbbby

How much has it cost you the past 12 weeks?

cost was about $180 over the 12 weeks... includes gear, AI, pins...

Obviously it depends on what you are taking, but I always thought in general that it cost much more than that.

(Post Master Supreme)

11/19/14 09:17 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

around $500 for a multi-product cycle with HCG and PCT

(Post Master Supreme)

11/19/14 09:49 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Quote:

Steroids can be bought online, but obviously you run the risk of seizure, arrest, or bunk gear. Sample beginner cycles are also posted on those websites.

I can't even get beer shipped here, so seizure, arrest and bad drugs. Seems high risk to me.

(Post Master Supreme)

11/19/14 11:46 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Yeah, Canadian customs is a bitch. You need to find someone in Canada.

(Post Master Supreme)

11/20/14 11:37 AM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Just never been a solid presser Joey...

I did manage the 140's the other day for a set of 5... I impressed myself... Lol

(Post Master Sr)

11/24/14 05:17 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Originally Posted By: Impulsive

I guess it could be simple, but I don't even know all the terms being thrown around and what they do. Let alone correct dosage, how to be safe, how to monitor health and how to spot bad side effects.

Then, I'd have to find needles and a dealer for this and I'm already not comfortable. I'm not competing and never knew anyone who did, so I don't really have a circle of connected people.

I guess I'm a pussy as I don't really care to try this. If it was dead simple like order x and y on the web, then take 2/day or something, sure.

Needles are easy. You can get them at any pharmacy. My wife sold them all the time to the steroid crew when she worked community. You just need to know what guage you want and it's the same as if you were buying for your beetus.

(Post Master Supreme)

11/24/14 07:41 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

25g for pinning
23g for drawing

(Post Master Supreme)

11/25/14 01:25 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Originally Posted By: DieZel

25g for pinning
23g for drawing

Yeah, though, some product takes forever to push through a 25g pin. So you have to step it up and inject with a 23g. feelsgoodman

(Post Master Supreme)

11/25/14 02:07 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Originally Posted By: Impulsive

I guess it could be simple, but I don't even know all the terms being thrown around and what they do. Let alone correct dosage, how to be safe, how to monitor health and how to spot bad side effects.

Then, I'd have to find needles and a dealer for this and I'm already not comfortable. I'm not competing and never knew anyone who did, so I don't really have a circle of connected people.

I guess I'm a pussy as I don't really care to try this. If it was dead simple like order x and y on the web, then take 2/day or something, sure.

gets engineering degree/is professional engineer. /can't understand some basics about roids.

$;\)$

Its just an easy excuse to say "I dont know", which is fine. You have no interest in it, so its easy to say that and to avoid the whole thing. In reality a few nights(if even that) of reading up on the subject you would have a pretty good idea of whats going on.

Very easy to source locally too. Its literally everywhere. Granted you do work out at home, but Im sure your wife knows a few people who could easily hook it up.

(Post Master Supreme)

11/25/14 02:15 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

is "reed up gud on it bruh " from various swole users apparently performing their own personal uncontrolled clinical trial(s) equivalent to peer reviewed studies with randomized controlled trials demonstrating safety/efficacy? Where is the data proving the safety?

I believe the OP knows far more than I do on this topic, so am curious. [I bailed out of chem as an undergrad]

(Post Master Supreme)

11/25/14 02:39 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Ideally reading shit you find on Google is not the best way to learn about injecting exogenous hormones into your body...

Best bet is to get advice from mutliple sources along with a reputable website and make your decision from there...

(Post Master Supreme)

11/25/14 03:33 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

There are more than a few decent forums to get solid information from.

As with anything you may need to weed through some of the bs. But you can usually discover the general consensus on a solid plan if there isnt something blatantly laid out already.
usually its a better route than following dude bros advice in the locker room. Though using them may be another data point for you to take into consideration.

lol @ peer reviewed studies on what protocol to follow. are you high right now?

(Post Master Supreme)

11/25/14 03:38 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Originally Posted By: zakcits

[I bailed out of chem as an undergrad]

why is that relevant? You guys talk like its rocket science.

If you really wanted to do it, the information is out there and easily understood. You dont need a PHD in chem or physiology to figure this out.

You arent synthesizing this shit in your basement.

(Post Master Supreme)

11/25/14 03:41 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

I get that it's illegal, but to prove safety you really should follow standard protocol. The person making the claims towards safety/efficacy should have abundant data to point towards. Hopefully something beyond anecdotes and selfies

FDA generally requires sample sizes for a randomized study of around ~300-500 users. 50% will be a control group. Scientific method ensues. Data is used to back up claims. Safety is paramount. Trials get cancelled when bad shit happens, participant selection across demographics is crucial as well.

(Post Master Supreme)

11/25/14 03:54 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Originally Posted By: Euphoric

You arent synthesizing this shit in your basement.

actually some people are... lol...

not me, but i do know of some that do...

(Post Master Supreme)

11/25/14 04:22 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Originally Posted By: zakcits

I get that it's illegal, but to prove safety you really should follow standard protocol. The person making the claims towards safety/efficacy should have abundant data to point towards. Hopefully something beyond anecdotes and selfies

FDA generally requires sample sizes for a randomized study of around ~300-500 users. 50% will be a control group. Scientific method ensues. Data is used to back up claims. Safety is paramount. Trials get cancelled when bad shit happens, participant selection across demographics is crucial as well.

If someone is concerned about "what" they're putting in their body, they could always buy pharmaceutical grade gear. For example, testosterone, made by actual pharma companies, not underground labs.

(Poster)

11/25/14 07:37 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

What are you doing for blood work? I've been reading up on it and it seems PrivateMDLabs.com is the most ideal route to go, but I'm always curious to see what other people are doing/using.

(Post Master Supreme)

12/02/14 05:53 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Hit a couple new PR's already this week...

335 Bench
225 OHP

(Post Master Sr)

12/02/14 06:28 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Originally Posted By: DieZel

Hit a couple new PR's already this week...

335 Bench
225 OHP

Fuuuuuuuuck. Nice!

(Post Master Supreme)

12/02/14 06:34 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

dem drugs doe

J/K That's solid, no matter what.

(Post Master Supreme)

12/02/14 07:45 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Looking to hit a 350 bench before end of the year... by then i will be cruising on a low dose for 8 weeks before I start my next blast which i'm planning test-c 500mg along with Tren-ace 350mg a week...

I will be in a deficit at that point and looking to continue to gain mass over a 16 week period...

(Post Master Supreme)

12/02/14 07:45 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Sitting at 235 morning weight right now...

(Post Master Supreme)

12/02/14 08:00 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Jesus. You have 50 pounds on me

That's a big boy.

(Post Master Supreme)

12/02/14 08:11 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

trying to get to 240 and then cut down and be a shredded cunt at 200+... we shall see how it goes...

(Post Master Supreme)

12/02/14 08:31 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Pics?

(Post Master Supreme)

12/02/14 09:03 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Dude, Tren is going to blow your mind. They don't call it the gear of the gods for nothing.

(Post Master Supreme)

12/02/14 09:07 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Originally Posted By: Joeyballs

Dude, Tren is going to blow your mind. They don't call it the gear of the gods for nothing.

that's what i'm hoping... i assume i should see some stupid strength increases, even in a deficit...

(Post Master Supreme)

12/08/14 01:22 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Put up 340 today...

Going for 230-235 OHP press tomorrow...

(Post Master Supreme)

12/08/14 03:34 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

lol insanity

Such gains. Much quickly.

(Post Master Supreme)

12/09/14 01:04 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

$\:o$

(Post Master Supreme)

12/10/14 08:15 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

missed 230 OHP, but did get my 340 bench...

will be shooting for 345 next Monday, and will likely do some heavier rep work next few weeks for OHP...

Front squatting is resuming and may work up to a heavy single Sunday... shooting for 275+, but I haven't squatted in 6 months i think, and unfortunately back squats are not possible for me, as my shoulder's ROM behind me is not good at this point... still doing some rehab shit to improve that...

(Post Master Supreme)

12/17/14 02:42 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Got greedy this week and went for 350 on bench, and "missed it"... spotter claimed he didn't help, but if hands touch the bar, shit don't count...

Will get it this week...

Bad thing about tren is it makes walking lunges feel like you're going to die... dat buffalo like breathing is for realz...

(Post Master Supreme)

12/18/14 07:12 AM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Quote:

dat buffalo like breathing is for realz..

that doesn't sound good.

No pics?

(Post Master Supreme)

12/18/14 02:41 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

my cardio output has been nil aside from with the g-unit, so it's no surprise to me...

i'll be posting some updated fat pics when i finish my bulk in a few weeks... plan is to cut down and be nasty at 200+ but that'd be a feat if I can achieve it, cause i was only 180 the last time i dieted down for a show...

(Post Master Supreme)

12/19/14 12:18 AM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Yeah, Tren is a bronchial constrictor because of its affect on prostaglandins. Acetate will hit you almost immediately upon injection whereas enanthate will fuck with you over the course of the week. It's definitely not a steroid for cardio athletes

(Post Master Supreme)

12/19/14 01:33 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

I've read it can take anywhere from a week to 14 days to really start to get the benefits from tren even with the acetate ester...

I should be full retard by early next week...

Managed the 140lb db's for 6 reps on flat bench yesterday...

(Post Master Supreme)

12/19/14 11:18 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

oh yeah, easy. I'd say three weeks to be honest. At week 8 you're going to be full blown monster.

(Post Master Supreme)

12/19/14 11:20 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

140 db bench is awesome

(Post Master Supreme)

12/20/14 01:17 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Originally Posted By: Joeyballs

oh yeah, easy. I'd say three weeks to be honest. At week 8 you're going to be full blown monster.

looking forward to it man... I will be starting my cut in about 4 weeks, so the fat will start coming off, and will still continue to grow into the cut... at least for the first 8-10 weeks of it...

(Post Master Supreme)

12/20/14 03:18 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

If I was going down a different career path, I'd definitely try some of the oral supps.

I've been stuck at the same max bench for 6 months and I just can't break that plateau. It's frustrating.

(Post Master Supreme)

12/20/14 11:41 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Originally Posted By: Moof

If I was going down a different career path, I'd definitely try some of the oral supps.

I've been stuck at the same max bench for 6 months and I just can't break that plateau. It's frustrating.

How many times a week do you bench?

(Post Master Supreme)

12/21/14 08:33 AM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Usually twice. Regular weight training on Mondays and max lifts on Fridays.

Should I increase my frequency?

(Post Master Supreme)

12/21/14 02:38 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

i'd say as a natty doing max lifts every week is a mistake...

2x a week is enough, but on your "heavy days" i'd keep rep ranges no less than 3-4...

test your max lift maybe once every 4 weeks at most...

i'm just an idiot who makes 5lb increases every week, and will continue to do so until i miss 2 weeks in a row and then i'll take my own advice... lol

(Post Master Supreme)

12/21/14 09:47 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

I bench 3 times a week, hypertrophy day(volume reps & sets), speed day(volume dependant on weeks in, could be 6x5, could be 3x3 at appropriate percentages typically same overall volume is moved.) , power day. (75-92.5% low reps/sets)

(Post Master Supreme)

12/22/14 12:14 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Everyone is different. I'm more like Diesel I guess, as I maybe try for a max-out once a month.

(Post Master Supreme)

12/22/14 01:41 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Well Art, I've been going full retard and maxing out every week... lol...

But i'm obviously doing things to help that... for the regular Joe who is lifting, doing max work every week is going to fry your CNS at some point... and if you're already plateaued, you gotta do something different...

(Post Master Supreme)

12/22/14 03:09 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

For each exercise I go for 3 sets of 6-7 reps max. 3rd set being a drop set.

(Post Master Supreme)

12/23/14 09:27 AM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

why oral?
id rather inject.

(Post Master Supreme)

12/26/14 12:12 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Originally Posted By: Euphoric

why oral?
id rather inject.

agreed...

(Post Master Supreme)

12/26/14 10:42 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

I'm sure its been discussed a million times but I've read injection is way better for your liver.

(Post Master Supreme)

12/29/14 08:59 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

There are some compounds that go through the liver via injection as well, but orals all do, and if you drink or take pain meds on the regular, you're asking for trouble...

If you're a healthy individual that doesn't drink doing oral cycles is not likely to cause you damage, unless you run them for too long...

(Post Master Supreme)

12/30/14 03:47 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

here's a little comparo from July to now... about 30lbs difference...

(Post Master Supreme)

12/30/14 03:50 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

210 vs 240

(Post Master Supreme)

12/30/14 05:18 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

fuckyeah.jpg

(Post Master Sr)

12/30/14 07:25 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Fucking cannonball delts.

(Post Master Supreme)

12/30/14 07:38 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

and they should only get more stupid as i progress with the tren and i start losing bodyfat...

(Post Master Supreme)

12/30/14 07:57 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

shit ya

(Post Master Supreme)

01/05/15 04:32 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Did not try and 1RM on bench this week and decided to do some rep work...

Hit a PR of 275x8 which shocked the fuck outta me... 315 for reps will be had in 2015...

(Post Master Supreme)

01/06/15 05:21 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Hit that 230 OHP today which surprised me cause my 185 warmup set felt heavy...

Went up so well, I tried 235 but must have blown my load on the 230...

(Post Master Supreme)

01/08/15 01:37 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Fucking went to the gym today for a push day, and had planned to attempt the 130's on incline press... goal was to hit 4, maybe 5...

ended up putting them up 8x... #fuckyeah

will upload a vid to Youtube, cause i never believe claims myself... lol

(Post Master Supreme)

01/08/15 07:28 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Lol, this is awesome. Soon you're going to run out of weights to pick up that you're going to have to start lifting the actual racks.

(Post Master Supreme)

01/09/15 12:50 AM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

How many times can you rep 225 seated mil press?

(Post Master Supreme)

01/09/15 12:07 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Art my OHP strength is not where it should be... And I never do seated, always standing... My left shoulder just doesn't have the overhead ROM it should...

Maxed out at 230 the other day but that was a full range of motion from chest to full extension... I don't half rep shit...

http://youtu.be/Yao54gOSYFA

(Post Master Supreme)

01/20/15 01:09 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

strong dude. I've always toyed with the idea of gear. Never pulled the trigger.

(Post Master Supreme)

01/21/15 01:54 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

i debated it for YEARS before finally deciding to try it...

i ain't mad, aside from waiting so long... lol

(Post Master Supreme)

01/21/15 02:08 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Originally Posted By: DieZel

here's a little comparo from July to now... about 30lbs difference...

jesus.

2000CheetahStud

(Post Master Supreme)

01/22/15 04:47 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Originally Posted By: 98V-TeC

Pics?

(Post Master Supreme)

01/22/15 10:09 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Why did your head get so massive???

(Post Master Supreme)

01/23/15 10:25 AM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Do chicks dig this physique?

/serious question

(Post Master Supreme)

01/23/15 01:29 PM

Re: All I can say about drugs...

Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom

Why did your head get so massive???

your face gains weight just as anywhere else... probably more of a water bloat sort of thing though as i'm down 7lbs and already look leaner in the face...

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01/23/15 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted By: HotHB

Do chicks dig this physique?

/serious question

i still look fairly average as my height doesn't make me look hooooge... my girl likes it, but she said that she does not find the mass monster look attractive...

once i lean out i'll still have an aesthetic physique and not going to be all large and bulky...

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01/24/15 05:11 PM

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I think we have different definitions of average...lol.

Fair enough, just curious.

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01/25/15 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted By: Mrs. Ironmom

Why did your head get so massive???

The Mighty BellRacer

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01/25/15 10:15 PM

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Have you see gains in the wheels?

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01/26/15 02:03 PM

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I have, but not sure how much... I guess i'll see as I lean out... keep in mind my legs are somewhat hamstring dominant and I look much better from the side...

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01/26/15 02:47 PM

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01/26/15 06:01 PM

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Fucking hell.

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01/27/15 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted By: WNDYCTYone

Fucking hell.

What he said. Holy moly.

The Mighty BellRacer

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01/27/15 12:27 PM

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no shit, goddamn son.

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01/27/15 01:02 PM

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OP, no judgement here at all but I'm wondering...do you feel any guilt about using drugs to get your results? Is it like Lance Armstrong's stance of "everybody's doing it so I need to as well?" You've already stated that your okay with the health risks involved, so my question is more about the mental side of things.

Personally I like the fact that my results are based solely on hard work. I could take some EPO or something and be faster, or recover faster so I could train harder, but to me that would be cheating myself.

Like I said, Im not hating, Id just like to hear how you deal with those thoughts, or if you do at all.

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01/27/15 01:26 PM

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Using PED's does not automatically net you gains... you STILL have to work hard, keep diet in check etc... Taking PED's doesn't make things "easier" persay, they just allow you to push yourself beyond your non PED potential...

Look, A LOT of guys take steroids and never make any serious gains, because they are stupid about it, don't train their ass off, don't keep their nutrition in check, don't get enough rest, party too much or just genetically aren't suited for them...

Nah I don't feel guilty because I am not competing against guys that are natural... If I was "cheating" I would have a sense of guilt about it, but essentially this was just something I've considered doing for a long time, and at the end of the day the federation I plan to compete in the playing field will essentially be level...

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01/27/15 01:53 PM

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I get that they're not magic and you still have to put in the effort...but you are getting significantly larger gains on the same amount of work, right?

I appreciate the response. $\:\)$

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01/27/15 02:09 PM

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I've been able to probably train "harder" and with more frequency simply due to the ability to recover quicker between workouts than compared to being natty...

I'm not going to bullshit you, steroids simply make you stronger... but you have to push yourself to get the gains... I just was no longer able to put in as much effort as I used to as a natty lifter (almost 40 now)...

For a year i was unable to press over 295 essentially, and within 3 months i was pressing well over 340 with ease and was making linear gains for 2 months straight, which just does not happen as a natty...

i've somewhat leveled off with 1RM strength gains so have since switched up my training to allow for more strength gains in the 5-10 rep range which should lead to 1RM gains as well...

Now that I am cutting though I fully expect a drop off at some point (maybe week 10-12), but I'm still progressing on all lifts as if I was in a surplus...

Mind you my use is "tame"... I know guys that are taking high amounts of hgh, and upwards of 3g of steroids a week along with peptides like igf1 etc...

I use less than 1g a week, and really don't have the desire to go full retard on the stuff, and add hgh, insulin, etc...

1. because that shit is expensive, and i'm doing this for "fun"
2. at some point I have to imagine that putting ALL that stuff into your body will likely increase your risk of negative sides
3. I'm already starting to feel like people are really giving me the "eye", like "wtf is he taking"... I looked good as a natty in the gym when I was lean... adding 20lbs of muscle and being lean is an eye opener...
4. I always enjoyed the "he's on shit" comments, but now I guess that I am on shit, I worry about the legality of it from time to time and getting too big, too quickly is a red flag...

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01/27/15 07:42 PM

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Once you're off the cycle, how long can/will you go before needing/wanting to use again?
Do you keep the gains from being on the cycle as long as you keep working in the gym, or will you eventually lose them and become long-term dependent if you want to retain your current peak?

If it's the latter, have you thought about your long-term (years) plan? No judgement from me, I'm curious what the usual approach is, and how you plan on tackling it.

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01/28/15 01:25 PM

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i don't plan to "go off"... i'll run only low dose test for 12-20 weeks and then decide what my next blast cycle will be...

if you cycle off completely, you will likely lose some of the gains as you simply won't be able to sustain the training effort you've likely been able to achieve while on...

I don't think it makes sense to cycle on and off... if you go on, you're essentially deciding that you're going to be on a TRT dose for the long term, and you can certainly still make gains even on a TRT dose...

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01/30/15 05:14 PM

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3 weeks into cut still making strength gains... I imagine I should be able to continue to make gains for another 4-8 weeks before i stall out...

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01/30/15 05:15 PM

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hit 290x6 on bench this week after 275x9 last week...

Running a slightly modified 531 at this point...

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01/30/15 06:59 PM

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::LIKE::

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02/04/15 02:04 PM

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updated pic from this morning... hanging around 233 this week, but i think i'm looking leaner, so i'm most likely recomping which is why my scale isn't really moving this week... DRUGS... lol

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02/04/15 02:33 PM

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Holy shit, nice.....

.....washer and dryer.

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02/08/15 10:12 PM

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Those traps doe

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02/13/15 05:48 PM

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hit 280x8 today on bench, another PR... really wanted 9 to match the 275x9 I had on my last 5+ cycle of the 531, but I ain't mad at 8 reps...

Shooting for 315 for at least a triple in like 5 weeks... Would be great as I would think i should be at a bodyweight of about 225ish or less by then...

Not a gargantuan strength feat, but easily a huge PR for me, and my monkey arms...

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02/13/15 07:51 PM

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Oh and Joeyballs you might be interested to know i'm up to 700mgs of tren now... pinning 1cc ed... lol

either i got some bunk tren or my body loves it, cause i'm getting like zero negative sides...

The Mighty BellRacer

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02/13/15 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted By: DieZel

hit 280x8 today on bench, another PR... really wanted 9 to match the 275x9 I had on my last 5+ cycle of the 531, but I ain't mad at 8 reps...

Shooting for 315 for at least a triple in like 5 weeks... Would be great as I would think i should be at a bodyweight of about 225ish or less by then...

Not a gargantuan strength feat, but easily a huge PR for me, and my monkey arms...

Man looking at you I would have guessed you were a 400lb bencher easy but I know you've said that you struggle with that lift.

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02/17/15 01:19 PM

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never been a good bencher... but this is easily the strongest I've ever been on that lift...

max lift i've been able to hit is 345, but haven't attempted any max lifts for about 6 -8 weeks now...

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02/19/15 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted By: DieZel

Oh and Joeyballs you might be interested to know i'm up to 700mgs of tren now... pinning 1cc ed... lol

either i got some bunk tren or my body loves it, cause i'm getting like zero negative sides...

Holy shit man... At 700mg I'd have some crazy side effects.

Is your urine rust colored? Night sweats?

With almost every Tren cycle I've been on I've had night sweats, darker urine, shortness of breath (sometimes), and a irritability. Is yours from a homemade lab or an actual brand?

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02/19/15 05:41 PM

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It's a respected UG lab... i ocassionally get the night sweats, but zero issue with darker urine or irritability (above my normal level)...

Only side i think i'm getting is an increased resting heart rate in the 90's, but my BP is usually right around 120/80...

The Mighty BellRacer

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02/19/15 11:03 PM

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Gotta pump blood to feed all that muscle, right? The resistance to the blood flow is low because vascular.

I'm being serious, btw.

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02/20/15 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted By: DieZel

Only side i think i'm getting is an increased resting heart rate in the 90's

That would literally keep me awake at night (my resting is high 50s/low 60s)

The results are amazing tho.

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02/20/15 08:14 AM

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plz be safe

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02/20/15 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted By: DieZel

Oh and Joeyballs you might be interested to know i'm up to 700mgs of tren now... pinning 1cc ed... lol

$\:o$

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02/28/15 05:57 PM

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Still hitting 700mg of tren, still no negative sides to date...

Had an injury of my lat / tricep area last Friday while benching so my training has been less than stellar since... Hoping to get back into the swing of things this week...

Plan to add Masteron-prop in the next few weeks as I lean out... Only 15 weeks to go and I can stop being a pin cushion... lol...

Weight is high 227's / low 228's right now... Really hoping to hit 225 by the end of this week and then I will post some progress pics...

My most telling pics will come at 215 which will be a comparison to the end of my last natty bulk, vs where I am currently at 215... should be quite a drastic difference between the two different 215's...

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02/28/15 06:31 PM

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still have liver function?

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02/28/15 07:40 PM

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injectables don't typically mess with your liver function and I actually take liv52 just to be on the safe side...

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02/28/15 07:40 PM

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i think the only injectable that is metabolized in the liver is Winstrol, and I haven't messed with it, and don't really have any plans to...