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#150079 - 11/25/05 04:07 PM 2006 civic si 0-60????????!!!!
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So the 2006 Civic Si will come with a 2.0 197HP 6-speed right? Then why do they post the specs of 0-60 of 7.3!!!!!!????? I had an '03 Type-S and it had almost the exact same engine and weight but its 0-60 was estimated at a full second or more less?? I was thinking about getting the Si when it comes out, but after hearing that disappointing time I'm starting to re-think. Has anyone heard a different time?
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#150080 - 11/25/05 04:42 PM Re: 2006 civic si 0-60????????!!!!
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Why are you basing your decision on buying a new car solely on it's 0-60 time
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#150081 - 11/25/05 05:34 PM Re: 2006 civic si 0-60????????!!!!
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I've seen mag specs of 0-60 for 6.7 seconds for the new si. Keep in mind that most of the guys testing the front wheel drive cars for the magazines can't seem to launch them for shit.
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#150082 - 11/25/05 06:45 PM Re: 2006 civic si 0-60????????!!!!
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And I would guess (just guessing) that 2nd gear is only good til 50-53mph? Which would mean an extra shift which is 1/2-3/4 second depending on how effcient you shift.
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#150083 - 11/26/05 01:11 AM Re: 2006 civic si 0-60????????!!!!
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R&T says 56 mph at 8300 rpm for 2nd gear with an ultimate 0-60 of 6.8 seconds. The 1/4 finshed up for them at 15.1 seconds.
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#150084 - 11/27/05 09:23 PM Re: 2006 civic si 0-60????????!!!!
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That's pretty normal for them to be conservative with the numbers. I remember seeing that the previous Si (EP3) was usually listed at 0-60 of 8 seconds, but I remember the R&T article they were able to get it to 7.6. There are also factors such as weather, tires, driver, etc.
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#150085 - 11/28/05 07:45 PM Re: 2006 civic si 0-60????????!!!!
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And I would guess (just guessing) that 2nd gear is only good til 50-53mph? Which would mean an extra shift which is 1/2-3/4 second depending on how effcient you shift.




2nd should be a full 60mph even with this 6 spd.
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#150086 - 01/05/06 06:49 AM Re: 2006 civic si 0-60????????!!!!
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#150087 - 01/05/06 09:21 AM Re: 2006 civic si 0-60????????!!!!
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And I would guess (just guessing) that 2nd gear is only good til 50-53mph? Which would mean an extra shift which is 1/2-3/4 second depending on how effcient you shift.




2nd should be a full 60mph even with this 6 spd.




if someone could list the gear ratios that would be a good start

and yeah, why base a buy on 0-60? if you're going to insist on a straight line accelleration test, look at 5-60 i guess, but much more than that you need to simply drive the car and see if it feels right.

it almost feels silly to be saying that again, haha
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#150088 - 01/05/06 09:25 AM Re: 2006 civic si 0-60????????!!!!
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just noting the fact that

all drivers are different AND the fact that the new civic si has 2 oem sized tires avail upon delivery

ALONG with 18" avail setups

i wouldn't really trust any mag write ups
i'll wait till people take them to the track and post actual time slips along with what tires they were running

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#150089 - 01/05/06 09:34 AM Re: 2006 civic si 0-60????????!!!!
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if someone could list the gear ratios that would be a good start





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#150090 - 01/05/06 09:40 AM Re: 2006 civic si 0-60????????!!!!
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i see you're working every bit as hard as i am this morning, lol

good lookin' out. i'll see what speeds it should be hitting in a sec
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#150091 - 01/05/06 09:45 AM Re: 2006 civic si 0-60????????!!!!
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all speeds at 8k rpm, theoretically, as we all know that tire sizes are hardly ever completely accurate.

1 - 37.65
2 - 57.75
3 - 81.09
4 - 107.25
5 - 133.56
6 - 186.67

so, basing off those gear ratios and assuming everything is ACCURATELY sized, you'd have to shift into 3rd, which is an ugly shift and can, in the ham-fists of a magazine monkey, lead to a pretty hefty time penalty in the search for the fastest route to 60mph
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#150092 - 01/05/06 10:02 AM Re: 2006 civic si 0-60????????!!!!
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eh its a light day

i'm just sharing some of the research i have compiled on my car of the week
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#150093 - 01/05/06 11:01 AM Re: 2006 civic si 0-60????????!!!!
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I was a bit surprised to see two overdrive gears (lol, looks familiar) but then i looked at the FD... good god
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#150094 - 04/08/06 10:24 AM Re: 2006 civic si 0-60????????!!!!
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Road n Track changed their 0-60mph time from 6.8 to 6.6
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#2977520 - 09/02/08 10:29 PM Re: 2006 civic si 0-60????????!!!! [Re: Th3On3]
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I checked those speed values above. They're pretty close. I got 58.58 mph @ 8000 RPM's in 2nd gear. So we're close to not having to shift, but not close enough - but there are two ways around this. You can either raise your revs which is obvious or taller tires/rims.

I'll show the calculations:

We know:
the final gear ratio = 4.763
the second gear ratio = 2.130
our tire size is 225/45/R17 (if i remember correctly)
and that the speed want to achieve is = 60 mph

We need the circumference, first need the total diameter of the tire
(225*0.4*2/25.4 mm/in. + 17 in)*3.14159 = 78.45 in.

to determine the number of rpm's required to achieve 60 mph:

60 mph * 4.763 = 285.78
285.78*12 in/ft*5280 ft/mi./(78.45 in. * 60 mph) = 3846.83 rev/min (trans.)

3846.83*2.130 (2nd gear ratio) = 8193 RPM --> so if you revved to 8193 RPM's, you could theoretically hit 60 mph without having shift, wouldn't recommend red lining it that much.

A safer way would be to increase the tire size:
Lets say: 235/45/R18
Circumference = 82.707 in.

82.707*60 min./hr*3755 rev/min/(12*5280)/4.763=61.76 mph @ 8000 RPM

So if you increased your overall tire size to approximately a 235/45/R18, you could reach over 60 mph without going over 8000 rpm.

It would have to be determined though whether the 1/2 to 3/4 of a second to shift would slow down the 0-60 time more than the increased mass inertia (harder for the car to spin the tire if it weighs more therefore requiring more power) of the larger tire. If you went to a titanium or lightweight aluminum alloy 18" wheel, it would be beneficial and your 0-60 time would definitely drop. If the 0-60 time is actually 6.8 seconds or whatever, you might be looking at approximately 6.0 - 6.3 if you didn't have to shift into third which would be much better. Hope this helps with the 0-60 discussion.



Edited by CMR (09/02/08 10:30 PM)
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#2978226 - 09/03/08 07:10 AM Re: 2006 civic si 0-60????????!!!! [Re: ryaneh]
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 Originally Posted By: ryaneh
So the 2006 Civic Si will come with a 2.0 197HP 6-speed right? Then why do they post the specs of 0-60 of 7.3!!!!!!????? I had an '03 Type-S and it had almost the exact same engine and weight but its 0-60 was estimated at a full second or more less?? I was thinking about getting the Si when it comes out, but after hearing that disappointing time I'm starting to re-think. Has anyone heard a different time?


Sounds about right. A great driver may shave a few tenths off, but 7-7.5 is average. That being said, the SI is not a drag racer, so maybe you should look into something else?

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#2978837 - 09/03/08 10:34 AM Re: 2006 civic si 0-60????????!!!! [Re: Areaone]
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Car and Driver (2006 Coupe)= 6.7
Edmunds Sedan Review (2007 Sedan) = 7.1
Edmunds Si v GTI article (2006 Coupe) = 6.8
Edmunds Sport Compact Comparison (2006 Coupe) = 7.5
Edmunds First Review (2006 Coupe) = 7.2
Motor Trend Si v SE-R article (2007 Sedan) = 6.3
Motor Trend Long Term Test (2006 Coupe) =6.7
Motor Trend Si v GTI article (2006 Coupe) = 6.3
Road and Track Pocket Rocket Comparison (2007 Sedan) = 6.8
Road and Track Si v Cooper S v GTI (2006 Coupe) = 6.6
Road and Track Si Review (2006 Coupe) = 6.7
Automobile Mag (2007 Sedan) = 7.4
Automobile Mag (2006 Coupe) = 6.7

2007 Sedan Test Average = 6.90
2006 Coupe Test Average = 6.81


Unless you work for Edmunds you should have no problem getting into the mid to high sixes.


BTW - Why resurrect a 2+ year old thread?


Edited by AX-NY'06Si (09/03/08 10:49 AM)
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