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#5905992 - 11/03/11 02:05 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: HX_Guy ]
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Go to 1000-1100 cals a day and/or take a few days off of dieting.
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#5906064 - 11/03/11 02:37 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: OB1]
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If I go to 1000-1100 per day, I don't think I can still meet the protein needs. As is with 1500 calories I get about 145g of protein per day.

I usually do take a day or two (usually Saturday and/or Sunday) where I am not as strict with my diet, I'll have one "bad" meal.
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#5906159 - 11/03/11 03:10 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: HX_Guy ]
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 Originally Posted By: HX_Guy
If I go to 1000-1100 per day, I don't think I can still meet the protein needs. As is with 1500 calories I get about 145g of protein per day.

I usually do take a day or two (usually Saturday and/or Sunday) where I am not as strict with my diet, I'll have one "bad" meal.


Just my severely limited opinion...
But what are you actuall doing when you work out?

If you can run 50 @ 5 miles, get off the damn eliptical. If your body can take the impact elipticals are normally a way to slack. Get your heart rate up. And if you can do 50@5mph, push yourself to get faster. 12 minute miles aren't exactly going to melt the fat off. Sure slow and steady eats calories up, but if you can get your heart rate up you'll have longer burn. The goal should be something like 1 hour at about 7+mph. There's no reason a 30 y/o @ sub 190 shouldn't be able to work towards that. Start by doing 5-10minutes at a time at 6mph, and alternate. Even soft intervals will get your cardio system more active.

Oh and get a plan on weights. I'll admit I'm no expert here, but I've always had a plan at least.

Honestly I think you're not pushing yourself enough.

That said, 8 weeks still isn't that long. But for how few calories your on I would have expected to see more results that a 1/2 inch in your belly and no weight loss.

How much are you "cheating" on weekends and the bad meal? Is the one "bad" meal 1200 calories? I've never been a dieter, but it seem everyone I know with diet problems cheats too much.
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#5906388 - 11/03/11 04:19 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: dirtyS13drifta]
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I ate 1100 cals yesterday and had over 250grams of protein.

8oz of chicken is 220cals and 50grams of it. It's not hard.

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#5906591 - 11/03/11 05:47 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: OB1]
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did you just eat 40oz of chicken all day or what?
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#5906597 - 11/03/11 05:50 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Nealoc187]
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Pretty much! Chicken, water and protein shakes.

Sometimes just 175-200 grams and some complex carbs like beans and/or some veggies.

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#5907205 - 11/03/11 11:03 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: dirtyS13drifta]
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But what are you actuall doing when you work out?

If you can run 50 @ 5 miles, get off the damn eliptical. If your body can take the impact elipticals are normally a way to slack.


I haven't done the elliptical or treadmill in a while...my most recent workouts consist of lifting weights on M-W-F and hiking on T-TH. The hiking is 3.5 miles with an elevation change of 800 ft and I do it in an hour.

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Honestly I think you're not pushing yourself enough.

That said, 8 weeks still isn't that long. But for how few calories your on I would have expected to see more results that a 1/2 inch in your belly and no weight loss.


It is true, I could definitely push myself a lot more and do cardio that is a lot more effective than hiking, such as running (my heart rate monitor says I burn about 700 calories when I run for an hour vs 450 calories for hiking) but I absolutely *hate* running...I mean hate it the first minute into the hour run and I've found I need to like what I'm doing if I actually want to be consistent. I've tried running and after a week or two, I just stop going. I'm comfortable with the idea that it will 6+ months to get where I want vs 3 months that it could take.

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How much are you "cheating" on weekends and the bad meal? Is the one "bad" meal 1200 calories?


Depends, for example on Saturday I did well all day bit for dinner I had a NY Strip steak with cornbread and grilled veggies, it was awesome. \:\)
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#5907255 - 11/03/11 11:40 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Nealoc187]
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 Originally Posted By: Nealoc187
did you just eat 40oz of chicken all day or what?
not the diet for you... you arent looking to lose and if you had that kind of high protein diet youd gas so fast out on the ice you wouldnt even know which way was up.
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#5907575 - 11/04/11 07:56 AM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Euphoric]
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 Originally Posted By: Nealoc187
did you just eat 40oz of chicken all day or what?
not the diet for you... you arent looking to lose and if you had that kind of high protein diet youd gas so fast out on the ice you wouldnt even know which way was up.
Yeah, sorry....I forgot Neal was trying to gain mass. From what Neal said he's a skinny fella already, meaning no stored energy....chicken has no carbs and the shakes nearly none...so you'd have no energy at all.

HX: For example....

Had a shake this morning
120cals, 23Gs


Lunch I had 12oz of lean chcien breast
330cals, 75Gs

Snack I'll have a shake. I'll blend it in the bullet with ice/water and then add trail mix
230cals, 30Gs

Dinner I'll usually 12oz of chicken @ 330cals, 75G's...but this Fri so I'll likely hit up some wings or something. Who knows.

Bedtime shake
120cals, 23G's

Under 1200 cals for the day and well over 200Gs. Although I sucked at eating between 9-4 like I like to...

Personally I'm only doing this for a week to get my weight back in line and then back to eating a little heavier through Xmas....


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#5913734 - 11/07/11 01:33 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: OB1]
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Week 8 update photos are up.
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#5913912 - 11/07/11 02:33 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Euphoric]
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 Originally Posted By: Nealoc187
did you just eat 40oz of chicken all day or what?
not the diet for you... you arent looking to lose and if you had that kind of high protein diet youd gas so fast out on the ice you wouldnt even know which way was up.


Yeah I wasn't asking with regard to possible diet for myself, I was just trying to do the math and figure out if that was basically all he ate all day. I know I need carbs and calories for my goals.
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#5913920 - 11/07/11 02:35 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: OB1]
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Lunch I had 12oz of lean chcien breast
330cals, 75Gs




Where are you getting your nutritional information for chicken breast? My search on Google says 12oz of chicken breast is 552 calories and 108g of protein.

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/poultry-products/703/2
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#5913995 - 11/07/11 02:55 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: HX_Guy ]
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You need to work on your diet, man. After 8 weeks, I'd have expected to see more progress on the gut.
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#5914068 - 11/07/11 03:17 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: HX_Guy ]
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Lunch I had 12oz of lean chcien breast
330cals, 75Gs




Where are you getting your nutritional information for chicken breast? My search on Google says 12oz of chicken breast is 552 calories and 108g of protein.

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/poultry-products/703/2
Th'fuck are you reading?

http://www.calories-nutrition.buddyslim.com/4oz-chicken-breast/

X3 = 12oz/330cals/72G's

Other examples:
http://www.livestrong.com/thedailyplate/nutrition-calories/food/generic/4-oz.-chicken-breast/
http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-organic-valley-boneless-skinless-chicken-i109352
360cals/78Gs



I eat the fuck out of these on weeks I'm too lazy to cook the chicken. Thawed out in the fridge and 2min in the microwave and done. 98% fat free, nearly 4oz in every fillet.
http://www.tyson.com/Products/Grilled-And-Ready-Fully-Cooked-Frozen-Chicken-Breast-Fillets.aspx


24Gs and 110cals per fillet. Drown 2-3 of these....6 of them is under 700cals and right around 150Gs. I eat about that and a couple shakes minimum a day. That is about 900cals and 200G's and I still have a couple 100cals to spare when I'm cutting. When not cutting I still wrap this same list around more cals...

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#5914113 - 11/07/11 03:32 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: OB1]
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Damn that's pretty good. I just had lunch...a ham sandwich and it was 310 calories and 30g of protein.

So far for the day I'm at 760 calories and 74g of protein. I've had oatmeal/skim milk/protein powder for breakfast and the sandwich for lunch.
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#5914133 - 11/07/11 03:41 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: HX_Guy ]
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See...you could nearly triple that protein intake and have zero carbs (among other things) in the process.

Get your calories down dude. Something tells me you're not very active, save whatever gym time you have....so get the calories down.

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#5914598 - 11/07/11 06:35 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: OB1]
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My biggest problem to my diet is bread. I freaking love it but it's so worthless, almost no protein and a crapload of calories. I'm probably getting 500-600 calories per day from just bread. A friend of mine was funny...he's like "Dude, you're Romanian! You were born with bread in your hand." So fucking true...I eat bread with EVERYTHING, the food doesn't taste right to me unless I'm having bread with it...steak, grilled chicken, mashed potatoes...gotta have bread.

I have to make a change though because obviously it's not enough with what I'm doing. I'm going to cut down to 1200 calories per day for the next 4 weeks and then see how my 12 week update looks. I had another sandwich about 30 minutes ago but this time I used 1 slice of bread vs 2, a bit more lunch meat and had some Romaine lettuce with it...215 calories and 30g of protein vs 310 calories and 30g earlier.

And you're right, I sit in a chair most of the day aside from the gym...and I work from home. I'd say 4/5 days, I walk from my bed to the computer at 9am and almost don't get up at all until around 5pm (aside from bathroom and to eat/drink)...then I go to the gym for an hour then back home I'm on the couch or in bed.
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#5915102 - 11/07/11 10:45 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: HX_Guy ]
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So, you have a problem and you know what it is?

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#5915208 - 11/08/11 12:00 AM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Silock]
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Hah...yea, pretty much...but I'm going to do something about it. Today I had 1255 calories & 158g of protein. I am starving though. \:\(
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#5915273 - 11/08/11 12:54 AM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: HX_Guy ]
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Dude...just suck it up and run. There's a reason it hurts and you dont want to do it....that's because it's work. Losing weight isnt easy....but running is by far one of the most effective ways to do it. I speak from experience.
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#5915436 - 11/08/11 07:16 AM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Mrs. Ironmom]
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I'd suggest that if you hate running as I do (or can't in my case) then at least pick up something else like a sport (sprints VS long haul) or biking. Basketball is a good one. But you can't sit there and do squats and eat a bunch of bread and thank the weight will move every week (or very much anyway).

Cut the shit and do it or don't. But quit trying to do without "giving up some things you like" or trying to do it with minimal work. It's those 2 things and mindsets that get you overweight. Good luck.

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#5916075 - 11/08/11 11:58 AM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: OB1]
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I am doing other activities such as hiking, 2-3 time per week, on the days that I'm not lifting (3 times per week). It may not be as good as running calorie burning wise, but I really enjoy it. Plus, like I've mentioned, I'm cutting my calories to 1200/day. I'll update again at 12 weeks.
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#5916194 - 11/08/11 12:48 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: HX_Guy ]
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If you refuse to run, at least go bike riding or play a sport. I'm a fan of doing more than just light cardio - though it's not necessary. It's just nice to be in shape.

As for bread, buy some good multigrain bread or flax bread. 100 calories per slice, 5-6 grams of protien, 5 grams of fibre. Just have a slice with lunch/dinner and limit it to that.

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#5916580 - 11/08/11 03:39 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Impulsive ]
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I love hiking too, but unless your spending 6 hours a day really humping it, its not gonna do shot. You need to go anaerobic every single day.

You have lots of great trails near you...start running them.
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#5916969 - 11/08/11 06:53 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Mrs. Ironmom]
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Anaerobic, as in "hardcore training" according this this chart?



Why not the Weight control (Fitness/Fat burn) zone? With the hiking, wearing my heart rate monitor, I average 125 bpm over 50 minutes with a max of 160 bpm.
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#5916971 - 11/08/11 06:54 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: HX_Guy ]
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The zone thing is fucking retarded.
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#5916980 - 11/08/11 06:58 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Silock]
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The zone thing is fucking retarded.


Haha, insightful. \:\)
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#5917021 - 11/08/11 07:07 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: HX_Guy ]
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Just get to work and stop trying to make excuses and/or put a science to it. Is the pain of being fat stronger than the pain to work it off in your mind?

Then stfu and do it, if yes. Lift 3 days a week...fine. Do something fast and hard for at least an hour a day for the 3-4. Do this until those extra 40lbs come off of you. And eat as few calories and as much protein as you can.

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#5917314 - 11/08/11 08:53 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Silock]
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The zone thing is fucking retarded.


Agreed...ditch the heart rate monitor!

By anaerobic I'm simply saying you need to get your body to the point of where your heart is beating fast and you're sucking wind.

OB1 is right....you're overthinking it. Get out there and make yourself suffer...it's he only way. \:\)
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#5917447 - 11/08/11 09:53 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Mrs. Ironmom]
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Have to agree.

We might be more hardcore than most here, but certainly jogging/biking isn't that hard. You just have to open the door and go. If it gets tough, take a breather, reload and go.

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#5917479 - 11/08/11 10:08 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: HX_Guy ]
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 Originally Posted By: HX_Guy

Why not the Weight control (Fitness/Fat burn) zone? With the hiking, wearing my heart rate monitor, I average 125 bpm over 50 minutes with a max of 160 bpm.


Average 185 for an hour or two. You'll lose weight. Also, I'll add that "weight control" has a hidden meaning: "don't get anymore fat but don't lose anything either" And if you're doing that you're lucky. This is why you see fat people on ellipticals. It's easy and doesn't do much. /uneducated opinion on all this garbage.

To be honest, you sound like Prog. Just making excuses and seeing shit results. Work hard, do shit you don't like because it actually pays off. And who knows, maybe you'll come to love running. I hated HATED running at one point in my life. Now I love it.
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#5917491 - 11/08/11 10:14 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Mrs. Ironmom]
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The zone thing is fucking retarded.


Agreed...ditch the heart rate monitor!

By anaerobic I'm simply saying you need to get your body to the point of where your heart is beating fast and you're sucking wind.

OB1 is right....you're overthinking it. Get out there and make yourself suffer...it's he only way. \:\)


Yep, Just fucking workout hard.

If you need a heart rate monitor to tell you what hard is, fine get oone.

But basically you're in the lower regions of your fancy chart. Sure you're burning some calories while your on the machine. But you're not making yourself fitter. If you push yourself you'll burn a ton of calories even after your workout.

Or if you're going to be a pussy, up your time on "cardio". Not many people stay fat at anything over 20 miles a week on their feet(some elipticals count both part of the revolution though, one more reason they're bullshit).

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#5917500 - 11/08/11 10:19 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Impulsive ]
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You guys are more hardcore than most on here and while I agree with you in principle, what I've learned about myself over years and years is that I do better at a slower pace than at a faster pace because I simply don't do it. I know I should, but I hate it and end up giving up. I just work better if I can do something I like at least somewhat and it takes 6 months to do vs doing something I hate and doing it in 3 months.

I'll be upfront and I know you guys will do a but as I type this on my iPad, I'm on the elliptical and my heart rate is at 132 bpm but I don't hate it. Sure I could be on the treadmill and be at 158 bpm but I would do that for about two days and stop, I've tried it.

I've lost 55lbs before so I'm not totally new at this.
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#5917523 - 11/08/11 10:28 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: HX_Guy ]
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 Originally Posted By: HX_Guy
You guys are more hardcore than most on here and while I agree with you in principle, what I've learned about myself over years and years is that I do better at a slower pace than at a faster pace because I simply don't do it. I know I should, but I hate it and end up giving up. I just work better if I can do something I like at least somewhat and it takes 6 months to do vs doing something I hate and doing it in 3 months.

I'll be upfront and I know you guys will do a but as I type this, I'm on the elliptical and my heart rate is at 132 bpm but I don't hate it. Sure I could be on the treadmill and be at 158 bpm but I would do that for about two days and stop, I've tried it.


Can you do treadmill at a slower pace to get you used to it?
Even as a runner, if I'm more than 1-2 weeks off of running I find my first few runs awkward and tiring. All of the sudden it clicks again.

Can you run once a week as a challenge to yourself? Shit sign up for a spring 5k race. It's only 3 miles and you'll have to get yourself ready for it.

And if you refuse to run, got harder on the elliptical. Do some intervals once a week or something. On the other days, go longer.


I mean you've admitted your not committed to results, fine. But for your health you still need to push yourself. Also, consider a trainer. Some people just need that extrinsic motivation.
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#5917585 - 11/08/11 11:05 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: dirtyS13drifta]
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You continue to do the easy stuff, because that's what it is....easy.

I'm not hardcore by any means...I just put the time and effort. I never really liked the idea of going out and making myself suffer, but once I was out there it felt good.

Believe it or not, your body wants you to push it to the limit. It rewards you by letting it feel a bit easier the next time.
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