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#5906591 - 11/03/11 05:47 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: ]
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did you just eat 40oz of chicken all day or what?
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#5907205 - 11/03/11 11:03 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: dirtyS13drifta]
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 Originally Posted By: dirtyS13drifta

But what are you actuall doing when you work out?

If you can run 50 @ 5 miles, get off the damn eliptical. If your body can take the impact elipticals are normally a way to slack.


I haven't done the elliptical or treadmill in a while...my most recent workouts consist of lifting weights on M-W-F and hiking on T-TH. The hiking is 3.5 miles with an elevation change of 800 ft and I do it in an hour.

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Honestly I think you're not pushing yourself enough.

That said, 8 weeks still isn't that long. But for how few calories your on I would have expected to see more results that a 1/2 inch in your belly and no weight loss.


It is true, I could definitely push myself a lot more and do cardio that is a lot more effective than hiking, such as running (my heart rate monitor says I burn about 700 calories when I run for an hour vs 450 calories for hiking) but I absolutely *hate* running...I mean hate it the first minute into the hour run and I've found I need to like what I'm doing if I actually want to be consistent. I've tried running and after a week or two, I just stop going. I'm comfortable with the idea that it will 6+ months to get where I want vs 3 months that it could take.

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How much are you "cheating" on weekends and the bad meal? Is the one "bad" meal 1200 calories?


Depends, for example on Saturday I did well all day bit for dinner I had a NY Strip steak with cornbread and grilled veggies, it was awesome. \:\)
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#5907255 - 11/03/11 11:40 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Nealoc187]
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 Originally Posted By: Nealoc187
did you just eat 40oz of chicken all day or what?
not the diet for you... you arent looking to lose and if you had that kind of high protein diet youd gas so fast out on the ice you wouldnt even know which way was up.
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#5913734 - 11/07/11 01:33 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: ]
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Week 8 update photos are up.
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#5913912 - 11/07/11 02:33 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Euphoric]
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 Originally Posted By: Euphoric
 Originally Posted By: Nealoc187
did you just eat 40oz of chicken all day or what?
not the diet for you... you arent looking to lose and if you had that kind of high protein diet youd gas so fast out on the ice you wouldnt even know which way was up.


Yeah I wasn't asking with regard to possible diet for myself, I was just trying to do the math and figure out if that was basically all he ate all day. I know I need carbs and calories for my goals.
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#5913920 - 11/07/11 02:35 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: ]
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Lunch I had 12oz of lean chcien breast
330cals, 75Gs




Where are you getting your nutritional information for chicken breast? My search on Google says 12oz of chicken breast is 552 calories and 108g of protein.

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/poultry-products/703/2
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#5913995 - 11/07/11 02:55 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: HX_Guy ]
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You need to work on your diet, man. After 8 weeks, I'd have expected to see more progress on the gut.
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#5914113 - 11/07/11 03:32 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: ]
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Damn that's pretty good. I just had lunch...a ham sandwich and it was 310 calories and 30g of protein.

So far for the day I'm at 760 calories and 74g of protein. I've had oatmeal/skim milk/protein powder for breakfast and the sandwich for lunch.
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#5914598 - 11/07/11 06:35 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: ]
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My biggest problem to my diet is bread. I freaking love it but it's so worthless, almost no protein and a crapload of calories. I'm probably getting 500-600 calories per day from just bread. A friend of mine was funny...he's like "Dude, you're Romanian! You were born with bread in your hand." So fucking true...I eat bread with EVERYTHING, the food doesn't taste right to me unless I'm having bread with it...steak, grilled chicken, mashed potatoes...gotta have bread.

I have to make a change though because obviously it's not enough with what I'm doing. I'm going to cut down to 1200 calories per day for the next 4 weeks and then see how my 12 week update looks. I had another sandwich about 30 minutes ago but this time I used 1 slice of bread vs 2, a bit more lunch meat and had some Romaine lettuce with it...215 calories and 30g of protein vs 310 calories and 30g earlier.

And you're right, I sit in a chair most of the day aside from the gym...and I work from home. I'd say 4/5 days, I walk from my bed to the computer at 9am and almost don't get up at all until around 5pm (aside from bathroom and to eat/drink)...then I go to the gym for an hour then back home I'm on the couch or in bed.
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#5915102 - 11/07/11 10:45 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: HX_Guy ]
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So, you have a problem and you know what it is?

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#5915208 - 11/08/11 12:00 AM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Silock]
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Hah...yea, pretty much...but I'm going to do something about it. Today I had 1255 calories & 158g of protein. I am starving though. \:\(
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#5915273 - 11/08/11 12:54 AM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: HX_Guy ]
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Dude...just suck it up and run. There's a reason it hurts and you dont want to do it....that's because it's work. Losing weight isnt easy....but running is by far one of the most effective ways to do it. I speak from experience.
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#5916075 - 11/08/11 11:58 AM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: ]
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I am doing other activities such as hiking, 2-3 time per week, on the days that I'm not lifting (3 times per week). It may not be as good as running calorie burning wise, but I really enjoy it. Plus, like I've mentioned, I'm cutting my calories to 1200/day. I'll update again at 12 weeks.
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#5916194 - 11/08/11 12:48 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: HX_Guy ]
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If you refuse to run, at least go bike riding or play a sport. I'm a fan of doing more than just light cardio - though it's not necessary. It's just nice to be in shape.

As for bread, buy some good multigrain bread or flax bread. 100 calories per slice, 5-6 grams of protien, 5 grams of fibre. Just have a slice with lunch/dinner and limit it to that.

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#5916580 - 11/08/11 03:39 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Impulsive ]
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I love hiking too, but unless your spending 6 hours a day really humping it, its not gonna do shot. You need to go anaerobic every single day.

You have lots of great trails near you...start running them.
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#5916969 - 11/08/11 06:53 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Mrs. Ironmom]
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Anaerobic, as in "hardcore training" according this this chart?



Why not the Weight control (Fitness/Fat burn) zone? With the hiking, wearing my heart rate monitor, I average 125 bpm over 50 minutes with a max of 160 bpm.
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#5916971 - 11/08/11 06:54 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: HX_Guy ]
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The zone thing is fucking retarded.
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#5916980 - 11/08/11 06:58 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Silock]
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The zone thing is fucking retarded.


Haha, insightful. \:\)
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#5917314 - 11/08/11 08:53 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Silock]
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The zone thing is fucking retarded.


Agreed...ditch the heart rate monitor!

By anaerobic I'm simply saying you need to get your body to the point of where your heart is beating fast and you're sucking wind.

OB1 is right....you're overthinking it. Get out there and make yourself suffer...it's he only way. \:\)
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#5917447 - 11/08/11 09:53 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Mrs. Ironmom]
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Have to agree.

We might be more hardcore than most here, but certainly jogging/biking isn't that hard. You just have to open the door and go. If it gets tough, take a breather, reload and go.

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#5917479 - 11/08/11 10:08 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: HX_Guy ]
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 Originally Posted By: HX_Guy

Why not the Weight control (Fitness/Fat burn) zone? With the hiking, wearing my heart rate monitor, I average 125 bpm over 50 minutes with a max of 160 bpm.


Average 185 for an hour or two. You'll lose weight. Also, I'll add that "weight control" has a hidden meaning: "don't get anymore fat but don't lose anything either" And if you're doing that you're lucky. This is why you see fat people on ellipticals. It's easy and doesn't do much. /uneducated opinion on all this garbage.

To be honest, you sound like Prog. Just making excuses and seeing shit results. Work hard, do shit you don't like because it actually pays off. And who knows, maybe you'll come to love running. I hated HATED running at one point in my life. Now I love it.
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#5917491 - 11/08/11 10:14 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Mrs. Ironmom]
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The zone thing is fucking retarded.


Agreed...ditch the heart rate monitor!

By anaerobic I'm simply saying you need to get your body to the point of where your heart is beating fast and you're sucking wind.

OB1 is right....you're overthinking it. Get out there and make yourself suffer...it's he only way. \:\)


Yep, Just fucking workout hard.

If you need a heart rate monitor to tell you what hard is, fine get oone.

But basically you're in the lower regions of your fancy chart. Sure you're burning some calories while your on the machine. But you're not making yourself fitter. If you push yourself you'll burn a ton of calories even after your workout.

Or if you're going to be a pussy, up your time on "cardio". Not many people stay fat at anything over 20 miles a week on their feet(some elipticals count both part of the revolution though, one more reason they're bullshit).

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#5917500 - 11/08/11 10:19 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Impulsive ]
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You guys are more hardcore than most on here and while I agree with you in principle, what I've learned about myself over years and years is that I do better at a slower pace than at a faster pace because I simply don't do it. I know I should, but I hate it and end up giving up. I just work better if I can do something I like at least somewhat and it takes 6 months to do vs doing something I hate and doing it in 3 months.

I'll be upfront and I know you guys will do a but as I type this on my iPad, I'm on the elliptical and my heart rate is at 132 bpm but I don't hate it. Sure I could be on the treadmill and be at 158 bpm but I would do that for about two days and stop, I've tried it.

I've lost 55lbs before so I'm not totally new at this.
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#5917523 - 11/08/11 10:28 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: HX_Guy ]
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 Originally Posted By: HX_Guy
You guys are more hardcore than most on here and while I agree with you in principle, what I've learned about myself over years and years is that I do better at a slower pace than at a faster pace because I simply don't do it. I know I should, but I hate it and end up giving up. I just work better if I can do something I like at least somewhat and it takes 6 months to do vs doing something I hate and doing it in 3 months.

I'll be upfront and I know you guys will do a but as I type this, I'm on the elliptical and my heart rate is at 132 bpm but I don't hate it. Sure I could be on the treadmill and be at 158 bpm but I would do that for about two days and stop, I've tried it.


Can you do treadmill at a slower pace to get you used to it?
Even as a runner, if I'm more than 1-2 weeks off of running I find my first few runs awkward and tiring. All of the sudden it clicks again.

Can you run once a week as a challenge to yourself? Shit sign up for a spring 5k race. It's only 3 miles and you'll have to get yourself ready for it.

And if you refuse to run, got harder on the elliptical. Do some intervals once a week or something. On the other days, go longer.


I mean you've admitted your not committed to results, fine. But for your health you still need to push yourself. Also, consider a trainer. Some people just need that extrinsic motivation.
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#5917585 - 11/08/11 11:05 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: dirtyS13drifta]
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You continue to do the easy stuff, because that's what it is....easy.

I'm not hardcore by any means...I just put the time and effort. I never really liked the idea of going out and making myself suffer, but once I was out there it felt good.

Believe it or not, your body wants you to push it to the limit. It rewards you by letting it feel a bit easier the next time.
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#5917588 - 11/08/11 11:07 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Mrs. Ironmom]
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looking good man. It's a very obvious improvement
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#5917593 - 11/08/11 11:09 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: dirtyS13drifta]
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It's not that running is all that tiring, that isn't what I don't like about it. What I don't like is that I'm panting the whole time and hating life. I get a little dizzy...time seems to move backwards, I look at the clock literally every 45 seconds and it feels like 5 minutes.

And I didn't say I'm not committed to results, I'm saying that I think there can be a middle ground where it takes longer to get the results vs all or nothing that many people on here seem to preach.
Right now I'm doing 1200 calories and the 3 days liftting & 3 days elliptical/hiking. I'll see how that goes over the next 4 weeks and adjust then if needed.
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#5917602 - 11/08/11 11:15 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: HX_Guy ]
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Instead of hiking your hike, jog it. When you're out of breath and feel shitty, I would alternate resting and powering through it - rinse/repeat.

It's called getting into shape.

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#5917608 - 11/08/11 11:20 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Impulsive ]
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Instead of hiking your hike, jog it. When you're out of breath and feel shitty, I would alternate resting and powering through it - rinse/repeat.



That is actually what I have been doing...jogging the flat/downhill areas and hiking the inclines.
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#5917610 - 11/08/11 11:20 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Joeyballs]
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looking good man. It's a very obvious improvement


Thanks man...fiiinally someone says something positive. Yes, I do much better with positive reinforcement. \:D
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#5917628 - 11/08/11 11:36 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: HX_Guy ]
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 Originally Posted By: HX_Guy
It's not that running is all that tiring, that isn't what I don't like about it. What I don't like is that I'm panting the whole time and hating life. I get a little dizzy...time seems to move backwards, I look at the clock literally every 45 seconds and it feels like 5 minutes.


News flash....that's called getting tired! You're panting because you're tired and out of shape! The problem people have with running is that there's no faking it. With hiking, eliptical, cycling....you get out of it what you put into it. You aren't seeing results because you're not pushing yourself.

We're not hating on you at all...think of it as tough love. We want to see you succeed!
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#5917634 - 11/08/11 11:44 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Mrs. Ironmom]
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Val I don't know you for shit but sign up for a 5k and I'll drive to the valley and run it with you. I'm all about trying to motivate people to push thrmselves out of their comfort zone because I know without someone pushing you it's hard to want to improve or stay motivated. I swear one organized 5k and you'll feel pumpd afterwards and see how fun running can be, even at 12min/mile pace.
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#5917763 - 11/09/11 03:18 AM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: HX_Guy ]
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You guys are more hardcore than most on here and while I agree with you in principle, what I've learned about myself over years and years is that I do better at a slower pace than at a faster pace because I simply don't do it. I know I should, but I hate it and end up giving up. I just work better if I can do something I like at least somewhat and it takes 6 months to do vs doing something I hate and doing it in 3 months.

I'll be upfront and I know you guys will do a but as I type this on my iPad, I'm on the elliptical and my heart rate is at 132 bpm but I don't hate it. Sure I could be on the treadmill and be at 158 bpm but I would do that for about two days and stop, I've tried it.

I've lost 55lbs before so I'm not totally new at this.


Don't take this the wrong way, but it sounds like you just want to put in the minimum amount of effort and have the results you'd get from putting in more effort.

And there's nothing wrong with that, per se. I don't like going to the gym more often than I have to. I don't like doing exercises that aren't going to help me as much as others.

But when you are in the gym or working out, you need to WORK. It's not going to feel good. You have to become comfortable with being uncomfortable. Embrace the pain and use it to push yourself.

I think you'd do much better with the cardio if you switched to playing a sport, or did HIIT for 20-30 minutes, 5 times a week.

Sample beginner workout:

5 minute warm-up jog (half of your maximum pace)

20 second sprint, 40 seconds jog (back down to warm-up pace) x 15 sets

5 minute cooldown jog (somewhere less than your jogging pace, but not a walk)

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During the sprints, SPRINT. Go as fast as you can. Don't hold back. You'll get enough rest during the jogging phases. And you may not get 100% of your breath back during your "rest" interval. That's okay. It's supposed to be hard and taxing. But really aren't doing more than a few minutes of all-out work.

I think you would like something like this if you tried it.

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#5917776 - 11/09/11 03:37 AM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: HX_Guy ]
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 Originally Posted By: HX_Guy
It's not that running is all that tiring, that isn't what I don't like about it. What I don't like is that I'm panting the whole time and hating life. I get a little dizzy...time seems to move backwards, I look at the clock literally every 45 seconds and it feels like 5 minutes.

And I didn't say I'm not committed to results, I'm saying that I think there can be a middle ground where it takes longer to get the results vs all or nothing that many people on here seem to preach.
Right now I'm doing 1200 calories and the 3 days liftting & 3 days elliptical/hiking. I'll see how that goes over the next 4 weeks and adjust then if needed.

Your panting because your lungs suck. They get stronger, like any muscle. You've got to give them a reason to. Work your lungs out by getting off that leisurely 128bpm heart rate.
Try to run occasionally, but start slow. Like I said, I can't go out and click off my 5k pace if I haven't run at all in 3 weeks.

I'm not hardcore, I suck at most things athletic. I just know that it takes some hard work to get in shape or to make it to a goal. So I work hard. I'm slow as shit for a runner, but I still run my ass off. Shit I smoked for 5 years of my life and off and on for another 2, I've never been what anyone would call an athlete. But I know I could go run a half marathon next week and I turn 31 on Sunday.
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#5920600 - 11/10/11 08:47 AM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: dirtyS13drifta]
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I wouldnt ditch the heart rate monitor...that is silly advice. well by that I mean...he shouldnt just not care about his hr.

though at the same time you dont need to be monitoring it every second. checking in every little bit on what your HR is is a very good tool to use. Just do the old fashioned way. look at the clock and count your beats for 6 or 10 seconds..first beat is zero. (fingers on neck or wrist)

a proper training regimen will touch all those "zones" at different times. last night i was in and out of anaerobic training and dipping into vo2 max. other days im near the anaerobic threshold. it totally depends. obviously with plenty lower hr work in the mix. and aerobic work on other days.

progress looks good.. you just have to keep at it. keep in mind a lot of the jacked guys posting didnt just pick up a weight 8 weeks ago. they have been doing this on/off for years
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