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Holy crap.......you got raped. When I first I thought you paid $22k Canadian....... and even that's still pretty high

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Thank you Chazmanian and everyone else that didn't ridicule my car.

1. I like Pontiac's.
2. I don't like Volkswagen's, other then a 1stgen GTI. I think they're all overpriced girls cars. Especially when it comes to aftermarket parts and maintenance.
3. You guys try driving a stick with foot pains.
4. I don't like the look of the new Civic's other then the Si model. But the Si is over 22k.
5. 22k was OUT THE DOOR price. After taxes, title, and all of those other fees you have to pay.
6. The 2.4l Ecotec makes something a lot of other imports don't, torque. 163ft/lbs of it.
7. I don't have a need to buy a large car like a Maxima, or the money.
8. Not a big fan of the WRX, except for the STi model, and I'm sure that's over 22k new.
9. How many other cars can you get FULLY LOADED for under 22k?
10. I like my new car, it's not fast, but I have my Firebird Formula if I want to drive fast.
11. I think the Mazda 3 is ugly and I didn't want a station wagon. I could have gotten a new Vibe AWD that gets 30mpg city if I wanted a wagon.

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i have a brand new toaster that you might be interested in... allows you to stick TWO slices of bread in it at a time, it has a MP3 port, and has a three prong plug to ensure grounding.

for you, today's price only.... $3599.

or if you use the buy-it-now option, $3625.

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My brother has a MKIV, it has an atrocious backseat. Worse than the WRX, but it doesn't make the WRX any better. Why give it a backseat only to have it be a penalty box? It's no bigger than an RX8, which is much better packaged. A sedan with sucky backseats makes no sense IMO. IIRC I'd prefer a Civic hatch or Focus hatch backseat for room to the Jetta and WRX.

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I don't follow. How often do you have someone in your back seat? I have a 3 month old... so I don't see him out growing it in the near future. Maybe when he is... like 14. I could see it being a problem if I carted around 10 mexicans everywhere I drove or something but I don't

I can fit back there just fine and I am 6 feet tall... though I wouldn't want to be back there for more than an hour or so. If I need a big back seat, I take the wifes Accord.

And the RX8 is more expensive and a PITA as you have to open the front door to open the back (like if you are dropping someone off). Don't get me wrong, I like the RX8 but I needed/wanted a hatch.

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How important is the OE wing or is that pretty much a deal-breaker?

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well the wing will make the car faster, or is that an 06 si feature only?

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Well, the wing helps... but the main factor is the rake of the windshield. The new Si has a vastly superior windshield rake that totally pwns the G5's.

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Can anyone post a photo of a brand new 2 door "GT" anything with..

Leather.
Automatic
Nice Rims.
XM Radio
Wing


For the $20,500 he paid for that car?

His 22K statement was out the door right?

Can anyone think of a new car with those options, In fairly legit GT mode due to having more than 125HP.....

With Wheels and an Automatic and Leather?

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Can anyone post a photo of a brand new 2 door "GT" anything with..

Leather.
Automatic
Nice Rims.
XM Radio
Wing


For the $20,500 he paid for that car?

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+1 for RSX auto
Scion TC. 160hp/155-160tq stock. Pretty sure its a 2.4. You might even be able to get one with the TRD supercharger for less than $22k out the door.

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Can anyone post a photo of a brand new 2 door "GT" anything with..

Leather.
Automatic
Nice Rims.
XM Radio
Wing


For the $20,500 he paid for that car?

His 22K statement was out the door right?

Using 7% which is the typical sales tax rate. He paid 20.5K Pre-Tax.

Can anyone think of a new car with those options, In fairly legit GT mode due to having more than 125HP.....

With Wheels and an Automatic and Leather?

And Y'all are bashing the guy?

I thought this was a SI Vs All forum?

Maybe a good response to this thread would be to.
A.Post a photo of your car
B.Post how much it cost you
C.Prepare to be Bashed and spat on regardless of what you bought or paid for it.

Yes?

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FWIW last time I priced a new GTI it came to about 27k and a new Si was north of 25k

even my 98 GTI was about 25k new.

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All of the above= Sure you can tart up a GTI to 27k. Why would you though? With all the options a fucking Mini is 60k! Does anyone buy one like that though?
A 98 GTI wasn't 25k either. Maybe 22k if you were dumb enough to pay full sticker. My 97 GTI loaded stickered 20,990

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the new Sunfire.

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Not hardly.

I've driven cavs and sunfires, and having driven and now owning the cobalt, I can say these vehicles are head and shoulders above the J-bodies. When I test drove the cobalt, I honestly expected to be turned off by the lack of build quality inherent to the J's. But honestly the quality of the build of the car is amazing, head and shoulders above the cav/sunfire twins. I'd dare say it was as well put together as a few toyotas/hondas that i've driven

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Can anyone post a photo of a brand new 2 door "GT" anything with..

Leather.
Automatic
Nice Rims.
XM Radio
Wing


For the $20,500 he paid for that car?

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I listed about 5 in my post, nice job ignoring it though to back the new Sunfire.

Also, nice job twisting 22k out the door to 20,500. The price of the cars I buy "out the door" is car's price.

And don't pretend like adding up lame options in some shit combo makes it a good buy. OMG he got an automatic with XM radio and DEXCOOL! Find some other car to do that for 20,500 minus 1500 but the 1500 doesn't count.

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Can anyone post a photo of a brand new 2 door "GT" anything with..

Leather.
Automatic
Nice Rims.
XM Radio
Wing

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Why do you keep pointing out these crappy features like it's some kind of revolution that GM introduced them as an option to their base model vehicle? Furthermore, "cool" wheels and a wing on a Pontiac are nothing to get tight-in-the-pants over, you dolt!

That stuff comes standard on most cars these days and for well under ~$22K OTD. I mean, fuck...even a used LGT is like 3 trillion times better than that heap and it comes with all those "deal braking" features you keep mentioning + Navi. Not a 2 door, but granted, all this bitching about rear seat room might as well lead you to buy something with more doors.

It's not like he's making some huge trade-off in power or handling, etc. when stepping up to a 4 door <anything> in comparison.

Regardless, I'm not flaming him, and I doubt anyone else here cares that much about what he does/doesn't do with his money, but the market right now is EXTREMELY saturated with cars that are head and shoulders above his decision so we're all just trying to figure out "Why?"

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Looked at Scion, the G5 has more interior room.
And if I was looking at used cars, there are tons I could have bought at 20k used.

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Eh, you bought a 2 door car and are worrided about interior room?

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sky for 22 steals the square.

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Are you guys deaf or something!?!

No stock spoiler is FTL according to this dude

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sky for 22 steals the square.

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Saturn Sky Invoice = 23k
Saturn Sky MSRP = 24,595 ..
With TTL, you'd be looking at just over $27k OTD.

To get a sky for 22k out the door, you'd have to get the dealer to come down about $5k off the MSRP. They'd be selling the car for a couple thousand under invoice. I guess it's possible, but it would take some good haggling.