#9139779 - 09/24/17 12:41 PM
Re: Luxo SUV options, and negotiation approach?
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The RDX isn't that bad....especially if I can get it at the same $ as an econo HRV.
I think RDX takes premium gas as well, which sucks.
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#9139783 - 09/24/17 12:47 PM
Re: Luxo SUV options, and negotiation approach?
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Have you considered the Venza?
The issue is that the car has had a very long life (they've been out since 2009), we ended up with a 2013 Limited Edition V6 AWD.
The good:
- Above average ground clearance, low roof line. Basically a jacked up wagon, i needed this since my garage clerance is low.
- Great safety rating, widest in its class.
- Toyota reliability, the V6 motor and tranny are the best thing about this car. I drove the 4 cylinder, it's also really good and I'd recommend that, you only feel the lack of power on the highway with the 4 cyl.
- I smoked 4age's 328 wagon with a stock venza  I also didn't break my transmission doing it.
- For 30k you can get a fairly new one with warranty, stouffville toyota has a bunch on the lot.
- The rear suspension doesn't squat with the car fully loaded, this is a huge pet peeve of mine, all hondas/acuras/nissans squat really bad - like we are picking up a bunch of immigrants from the airport bad. Venza holds it pretty level.
- They look slick, at least mine does 
- The AWD system has been put up against Subaru and has edged it out, go figure. Not that it matters, but bragging rights and such.
The bad:
- If you get the V6 with 20" wheels it rides rough, the 4 cylinder is nicer over potholes.
- The front seats are probably the worst seats on the market. My wife doesn't mind, maybe I am spoiled from the S4 seats, but i can't get comfortable in these fucking things.
- They drive like tanks, not nimble. I've driven bigger SUV's that feel more nimble, it may have to do with the stock 20" wheels though.
- Fit and finish inside is subpar, not a big concern for me, but it's embarrassing considering they were 46k brand new or whatever.
- Brakes are undersized, again possibly because i am comparing to the S4, but for a vehicle this heavy i don't find them adequate.
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#9139790 - 09/24/17 12:54 PM
Re: Luxo SUV options, and negotiation approach?
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Vensa is a no unfortunately. I would have liked something like that. Her sis' father in law has one so its an old man's car in her eyes. 
2009 until now.....they are milking it!
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#9139793 - 09/24/17 12:55 PM
Re: Luxo SUV options, and negotiation approach?
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What about the new Rav4's, they look pretty good.
THey looks small though, CRV might be the better option. Just make sure there is decent room in the backseats for that rear facing car seat. CRV seems like your best bet though and they have good resale value as well.
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#9139795 - 09/24/17 12:58 PM
Re: Luxo SUV options, and negotiation approach?
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One more to note, my buddy just got the Lincoln MKC, it's pretty nice and its in your price range. A bit small, but better than a HRV.
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#9139797 - 09/24/17 12:59 PM
Re: Luxo SUV options, and negotiation approach?
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Her sis has one...."too big". I think once I convince her out of RAV / CRV is too big, I can get her into a CRV (I prefer the Rav4 looks over the CRV)......just hope she doesn't go, lets go get the Lexus NX and blow the budget right out of the water. The next thing you know, my Lexus is gone, she'll have an NX and I will have the FIAT. 
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#9139798 - 09/24/17 12:59 PM
Re: Luxo SUV options, and negotiation approach?
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X5 has a useless 3rd row. Look at highlander or the new atlas if one is needed.
3rd row wasn't meant for the long haul (more like a 20 min. drive to/fro family dinner / relatives' houses) - I expect the smaller kids to craw in. Don't give a flying F about comfort for them, if they fit, then it works.
If i wanted the 3rd row for a long haul (road trips) - mini-van is the best option for that, no SUV can offer that much 3rd row leg room compared to a van unless you get some freakin' behemoth.
I figured this was the same logic applied when we were kids [none of our parents had minivans - 4 kids squished in the back row], gave me more motivation to save up for my own car so I don't get sardine canned in the back. lol.
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#9139800 - 09/24/17 01:01 PM
Re: Luxo SUV options, and negotiation approach?
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All you need is seat belts in the back, and you are good to go. LOL
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#9139807 - 09/24/17 01:09 PM
Re: Luxo SUV options, and negotiation approach?
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One more to note, my buddy just got the Lincoln MKC, it's pretty nice and its in your price range. A bit small, but better than a HRV.
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#9139984 - 09/24/17 06:43 PM
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Get the CRV, can't go wrong.
If you get the HRV I will set it on fire for you.
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#9140006 - 09/24/17 07:01 PM
Re: Luxo SUV options, and negotiation approach?
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Get the CRV, can't go wrong.
If you get the HRV I will set it on fire for you.
Yup new CRV is a solid choice for those that don't care about drivertrain. Honda fucking neutered the shit out of it with that shit cvt.
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#9140110 - 09/24/17 10:00 PM
Re: Luxo SUV options, and negotiation approach?
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+1 for the VW Atlas .... this SUV was done right.
2nd row seats that move with car seats installed and a fully functional adult friendly third row.
As for bargaining technique: use unhaggle.com
The website gives you vehicle cost and even links you to a nearby dealer that is willing to work with you
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#9140193 - 09/25/17 07:53 AM
Re: Luxo SUV options, and negotiation approach?
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The RDX isn't that bad....especially if I can get it at the same $ as an econo HRV. I think RDX takes premium gas as well, which sucks.
All the newer acuras are premium recommended only now. they can run 87 but not run as great (obviously). would still recommend a 91oct tank every so often though.
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#9140274 - 09/25/17 09:10 AM
Re: Luxo SUV options, and negotiation approach?
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Get the CRV, can't go wrong.
If you get the HRV I will set it on fire for you. Yup new CRV is a solid choice for those that don't care about drivertrain. Honda fucking neutered the shit out of it with that shit cvt.
isn't the new one turbo? It's supposed to be pretty quick @_@
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#9140792 - 09/25/17 02:40 PM
Re: Luxo SUV options, and negotiation approach?
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One more to note, my buddy just got the Lincoln MKC, it's pretty nice and its in your price range. A bit small, but better than a HRV. The depreciation on those can't be good.....
If you plan to trade the car in every 2-3 years, then depreciation is a factor. If you plan to drive the ____ (insert the SUV you end up buying) for 4 years or longer, the car will be at least 6-8 years old when you are done with it. The vehicle already depreciated to a point it doesn't make a huge difference when you trade it in. 
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#9141175 - 09/25/17 08:30 PM
Re: Luxo SUV options, and negotiation approach?
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Get the CRV, can't go wrong.
If you get the HRV I will set it on fire for you. Yup new CRV is a solid choice for those that don't care about drivertrain. Honda fucking neutered the shit out of it with that shit cvt. isn't the new one turbo? It's supposed to be pretty quick @_@
First time I've seen "quick" used to describe a CR-V; with the exception of inserting the "if you drop it off a cliff" clause.
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'08 //M3 - now @ 90,xxx km - wtf did i do?
'13 x1 - now @ 99,xxx km - a2b car
'10 x3 - now @ 123,xxx km - time 2 go?
'03 s2k - now @ 80,xxx km - a2a car
'08 535i - sold @ 149,421 km - cashed out just in time!
'08 impreza 2.5i - sold @ - 64,147 km - smh POS
'01 rav4 - killed @ 155,879 km - RIP old friend
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#9141182 - 09/25/17 08:36 PM
Re: Luxo SUV options, and negotiation approach?
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True enough with regards to depreciation. I just can't bring myself to go domestic so it was never really in consideration.
CRV is off the list. She doesn't like the rare end of the prior gen. I don't blame her....was just hoping she wouldn't notice. Would have been nice to put in regular gas.
RDX still fits the bill.....what I save in upfront cost I will pay in gas. We don't drive a lot so it isn't a huge deal. At the end of the day, she is driving it so I can just point her to the right direction.
Hope the RDX won't be a quick no...for the price used, there doesn't seem to be better value. This car buying experience is kinda like OT saying a girl is a no because elbows too pointy. 
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#9141196 - 09/25/17 08:58 PM
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Get the CRV, can't go wrong.
If you get the HRV I will set it on fire for you. Yup new CRV is a solid choice for those that don't care about drivertrain. Honda fucking neutered the shit out of it with that shit cvt. isn't the new one turbo? It's supposed to be pretty quick @_@ First time I've seen "quick" used to describe a CR-V; with the exception of inserting the "if you drop it off a cliff" clause.
Ignore him. He is beyond broken now.
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#9141280 - 09/25/17 10:31 PM
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True enough with regards to depreciation. I just can't bring myself to go domestic so it was never really in consideration. CRV is off the list. She doesn't like the rare end of the prior gen. I don't blame her....was just hoping she wouldn't notice. Would have been nice to put in regular gas. RDX still fits the bill.....what I save in upfront cost I will pay in gas. We don't drive a lot so it isn't a huge deal. At the end of the day, she is driving it so I can just point her to the right direction. Hope the RDX won't be a quick no...for the price used, there doesn't seem to be better value. This car buying experience is kinda like OT saying a girl is a no because elbows too pointy.
https://www.acura.ca/compare/rdx
see if you can get into a 16/17 model as that's the facelift unit with slightly revised 3.5L V6. again you can run 87/89 but 91 is ideal. i think the are just AWD now too, no longer expensive SH-AWD.
i'm sure the 13-15 models have dropped in price nicely given they are pre minor model change so i guess see what's around.
or...if you can hold out a bit longer into 2018, the full model change 2019 RDX is due out (dat new tech doe! ) and it's usually an early model year launch, so dlr's will be clearing out the 2018's cheap by then. as usual though they'll be gone quick most likely too lol.
Edited by Screamin DC2R (09/25/17 10:32 PM)
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#9141303 - 09/25/17 10:54 PM
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Thanks for the heads up. Probably can't wait that long for the 2018....don't want to fork out that much for a mama wagon.
https://www.autotrader.com/car-reviews/2015-vs-2016-acura-rdx-whats-the-difference-239127
Found a good comparison for 2015 vs 2016. Price diff is approx.$6k $26k vs.$33k before tax....probably going with the 2015 if RDX makes the cut..$6k plus tax is a lot of cheddar.
If I can get her into an RDX, it will be a big victory vs. having an HRV on the driveway.
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#9141416 - 09/26/17 08:02 AM
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#9141453 - 09/26/17 08:46 AM
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She had a Mazda 3 before the Fiat so "no more rusty Mazdas". Venza is too old man in her eyes because her sis' in laws has one. I really like the exhaust tones from the FX....can show her the next time we drive by one. A black one would look AOK!
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#9141454 - 09/26/17 08:49 AM
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That crosstour looks like a Panamera.
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#9142589 - 09/27/17 10:22 AM
Re: Luxo SUV options, and negotiation approach?
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Forgot to update one of our experiences in negotiating trade-in...
We walked into a quiet Honda dealer, and the guy on the floor seemed hungry, but didn't say much at all about the car during test drive...
S/O decides now is the time to figure out how much her car is worth, so we go thru a whole formal process of getting the car appraised...
Ask questions of how much is remaining on the finance, any damages over $3k, etc. This gets a whole lot easier if you have this info handy...
Like clockwork, when it came down to pricing, the sales guy focused on 'monthly payments' .... i.e. You're paying $500/mth now, with the value of the trade-in and this/that, it's coming in at exactly $512/mth, etc. etc...
i.e. the guy moves numbers around, increasing/decreasing the trade-in value, or increasing/decreasing the cost of the new vehicle, etc.
At one pt, it was pretty obvious he was just moving money from 1 bucket to another, and the S/O got pretty upset
Anyway... No pearls of wisdumb here, just... documenting what we went thru...
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#9142590 - 09/27/17 10:24 AM
Re: Luxo SUV options, and negotiation approach?
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Not sure what the experience was for my sis when she picked up a Honda (earlier this year), but her Murano trade-in was worth $1k at Markham Honda vs $7.5k at another Honda 
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#9143985 - 09/28/17 04:04 PM
Re: Luxo SUV options, and negotiation approach?
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I really like the exhaust tones from the FX....can show her the next time we drive by one. A black one would look AOK! you bitch about $6000 difference and paying premium gas, you can't afford any luxury SUV that requires premium gas and its maintenance
Yup. For sure. Because $$ is infinite and $6000 (or 25% more) for a facelift version of the same car just ALWAYS makes perfect sense. I better just go get a bus pass because I can't afford it. 
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#9164657 - 10/20/17 12:36 PM
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UPDATE: S/O ordered and will be picking next wk a 2017(?) Nissan Qashqai AWD.
Not 100% sure wtf she chose as options or colour ... But it def ain't the top-end one.
And, as such, with the Qashqai purchase, it fucked up a Good Diu for the old car's winter tires for a fellow CSI member  (Tires are 10mm wider, but the speedo won't be that bad.)
Edited by furball (10/20/17 12:54 PM)
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