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#9347019 - 06/21/18 08:42 AM Ontario hybrid/EV incentives gone vPC Govt vTeslaSues&Wins
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https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/...le-rebates.html

Electric vehicle rebates going to be killed sooner or later by the PC govt.

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Ontario is getting ready to hit the brakes on rebates of up to $14,000 for motorists buying electric vehicles like the new Honda Clarity and Chrysler Pacifica hybrid.

The purchase incentives, which were established years ago by the recently defeated Liberal government to kick-start a shift to low-emission cars, have been funded in part by the cap-and-trade program the incoming Progressive Conservatives are scrapping.


AUG 16 UPDATE:

https://electrek.co/2018/08/16/tesla-sues-ontario-government-ev-incentives/
https://www.thestar.com/business/2018/08/16/tesla-sues-ontario-over-ev-rebates.html

Tesla sues.

Aug 28 update

Tesla WINS.

https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/...incentives.html


Edited by furball (08/28/18 07:02 AM)

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#9347047 - 06/21/18 09:18 AM Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt [Re: furball]
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Guess I will have to put that P100D on hold.... \:D
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#9347049 - 06/21/18 09:23 AM Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt [Re: Big Tasty]
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#9347072 - 06/21/18 09:58 AM Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt [Re: zc911]
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I wonder who ended up paying for those rebates in the long run? All of us I'm assuming.
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#9347080 - 06/21/18 10:07 AM Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt [Re: LNXGUY]
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I don't mind having paid for them, I think they were effective in getting cars on the road. I hope the rebates are slowly rolled back rather than cutting them off all at once. The take rate is with our high dollar is still not nearly as good as it is in the major US centres.
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#9347109 - 06/21/18 10:27 AM Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt [Re: Senor Eduardo_82]
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that's too bad. not a good move. PC gov. cucks gonna have a lot of pissed off car manuf at them...which is one of the biggest industries ONT needs to survive lol
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#9347170 - 06/21/18 11:21 AM Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt [Re: Screamin Type ARGH!]
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Is it me... or would these incentives not have applied to Tesla's anyway? i.e. it only applies to vehicles < $75k MSRP?

And .. this was an ONTARIO thing? i.e. anyone buying an electric vehicle OUTSIDE of Ontario, would be paying more? i.e. no incentives?

(Never been into this shit, as I wasn't in the market.)


Edited by furball (06/21/18 11:22 AM)

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#9347218 - 06/21/18 11:51 AM Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt [Re: furball]
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Quebec, Ontario, and BC all have incentives for BEVs and PHEVs.

Ontario's $75k and $150k limits are relatively new. There was a time when you could get the full rebate amount on a loaded Model S or X.

Are you implying that you're in the market now?

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#9347269 - 06/21/18 12:12 PM Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt [Re: Senor Eduardo_82]
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Not in the immediate future


Edited by furball (06/21/18 12:23 PM)

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#9347283 - 06/21/18 12:21 PM Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt [Re: furball]
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he's cutting the old plans, but has yet to announce any plans for the future, so suddenly we all just jump to the conclusion that there won't be some other program in its place in the future, we just assume its nothing for the rest of time (based on what the linked article is saying). Come on people.

Edited by phoenixrage (06/21/18 12:22 PM)
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#9347285 - 06/21/18 12:22 PM Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt [Re: phoenixrage]
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This is Doug Ford we're talking about ... Not some Nobel prize recipient or John Tory.
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#9347287 - 06/21/18 12:24 PM Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt [Re: furball]
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 Originally Posted By: furball
This is Doug Ford we're talking about ... Not some Nobel prize recipient or John Tory.


what I'm asking is... have they announced anything about a new plan at all, or a definitive answer that there will be nothing to replace what he's scrapping?
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#9347355 - 06/21/18 01:23 PM Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt [Re: furball]
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 Originally Posted By: furball
Not in the immediate future


I liked your old answer better.

Did she read it and make you edit it? ;\)

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#9347482 - 06/21/18 03:22 PM Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt [Re: Senor Eduardo_82]
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As if the average joe will be able to afford a tesla.

Good move by PC
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#9347495 - 06/21/18 03:32 PM Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt [Re: c2k]
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without any incentive, now cars like the Bolt & Volt become harder sells at their price point. I was actually considering an electric car as my next daily.. but without the rebate, its not worth it for those vehicles.

I'm hoping there's some sort of program moving forward that still provides something.


Edited by phoenixrage (06/21/18 03:33 PM)
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#9347542 - 06/21/18 04:35 PM Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt [Re: furball]
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 Originally Posted By: furball
Is it me... or would these incentives not have applied to Tesla's anyway? i.e. it only applies to vehicles < $75k MSRP?

And .. this was an ONTARIO thing? i.e. anyone buying an electric vehicle OUTSIDE of Ontario, would be paying more? i.e. no incentives?

(Never been into this shit, as I wasn't in the market.)


The new rules were imposed because they were being abused. Cars being bought then disappearing out of Ontario. And I'm not talking being stolen either. Plus, if you can afford a Tesla, you shouldn't be getting back a rebate imo so that was a good move.

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#9347625 - 06/21/18 06:15 PM Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt [Re: Raocorp]
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 Originally Posted By: Raocorp
 Originally Posted By: furball
Is it me... or would these incentives not have applied to Tesla's anyway? i.e. it only applies to vehicles < $75k MSRP?

And .. this was an ONTARIO thing? i.e. anyone buying an electric vehicle OUTSIDE of Ontario, would be paying more? i.e. no incentives?

(Never been into this shit, as I wasn't in the market.)


The new rules were imposed because they were being abused. Cars being bought then disappearing out of Ontario. And I'm not talking being stolen either. Plus, if you can afford a Tesla, you shouldn't be getting back a rebate imo so that was a good move.


Explain to me how these cars are disappearing out of Ontario? If the car leaves Ontario within the year of purchase the rebate will be clawed back.


Edited by Hatorade (06/21/18 06:15 PM)
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#9347735 - 06/21/18 08:05 PM Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt [Re: Hatorade]
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fuck those rebates. i don't get a rebate for driving a 4 banger while dude next to me has a 6.3ltr v8 amg.
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#9348043 - 06/22/18 10:55 AM Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt [Re: titty sprinkles]
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yea, the system definitely needed a revamp.

IMO, tax the car like they do in some countries, based on age/mileage/engine size.

the people who use big vehicles for business will write it off anyways, and this will encourage other people to look into smaller/efficient cars or alternative transportation.
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#9348238 - 06/22/18 05:10 PM Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt [Re: phoenixrage]
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Yup. Sick of seeing red necks driving by themselves in their huge pick up.
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#9348353 - 06/22/18 11:05 PM Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt [Re: Hatorade]
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Dougy already scrapped the Smart Thermostats. ($100)
and Energy Saving coupons on bulbs etc not available on website anymore.

Current Vehicle Incentives according to Tesla

British Columbia
$5,000 rebate for vehicles with a base price under $77,000
Up to $750 rebate on Wall Connector and installation
Carpool lane access (with official EV decal)

Ontario
Up to $14,000 rebate for vehicles with a base price under $75,000
Up to $1,000 rebate on Wall Connector and installation
Carpool lane access

Québec
Up to $8,000 rebate for vehicles with a base price under $75,000
Up to $3,000 rebate for vehicles with a base price between $75,000 and $125,000
Up to $600 rebate on Wall Connector and installation
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#9348410 - 06/23/18 10:12 AM Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt [Re: Hatorade]
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 Originally Posted By: Hatorade


Explain to me how these cars are disappearing out of Ontario? If the car leaves Ontario within the year of purchase the rebate will be clawed back.


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Edited by Raocorp (06/23/18 12:04 PM)

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#9348414 - 06/23/18 10:51 AM Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt [Re: Raocorp]
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Where did you read this?
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#9348434 - 06/23/18 11:49 AM Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt [Re: LNXGUY]
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 Originally Posted By: LNXGUY
I wonder who ended up paying for those rebates in the long run? All of us I'm assuming.


Poor folks subsidizing people driving Teslas is annoying.

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#9348435 - 06/23/18 11:56 AM Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt [Re: Hatorade]
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Where did you read this?



probably the same site for mini tech support...

i kid i kid...

but BMW at least, won't even let people buy out cars that are known to be high value export vehicles.
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#9348437 - 06/23/18 12:02 PM Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt [Re: Hatorade]
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Where did you read this?



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#9349608 - 06/25/18 08:28 PM Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt [Re: phoenixrage]
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but BMW at least, won't even let people buy out cars that are known to be high value export vehicles.


so BMW can actually refuse to let you buy out your lease? (or not financed?)

so which models won't they let you buy?
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#9350171 - 06/26/18 03:08 PM Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt [Re: hyper-s2k]
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#9350233 - 06/26/18 04:11 PM Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt [Re: hyper-s2k]
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 Originally Posted By: phoenixrage


but BMW at least, won't even let people buy out cars that are known to be high value export vehicles.


so BMW can actually refuse to let you buy out your lease? (or not financed?)

so which models won't they let you buy?


No cash purchase allowed on certain models. MB does the same.
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#9378633 - 08/16/18 02:42 PM Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt [Re: Hatorade]
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AUG 16 UPDATE: https://www.thestar.com/business/2018/08/16/tesla-sues-ontario-over-ev-rebates.html

https://electrek.co/2018/08/16/tesla-sues-ontario-government-ev-incentives/


Edited by furball (08/16/18 02:49 PM)

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#9378739 - 08/16/18 04:54 PM Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt [Re: furball]
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I don't agree with the delivery date bullshit. If the car was ordered before the rebates were pulled, they should be getting a rebate. Delivery date has nothing to do with it.
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#9380151 - 08/20/18 09:26 AM Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt [Re: LNXGUY]
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Agreed. My sister ordered a Bolt, but it won't get delivered on time. Now she has to go and buy something else. Pain in the ass.
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#9380200 - 08/20/18 10:34 AM Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt [Re: LNXGUY]
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I don't agree with the delivery date bullshit. If the car was ordered before the rebates were pulled, they should be getting a rebate. Delivery date has nothing to do with it.


exactly
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#9380587 - 08/20/18 07:31 PM Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt [Re: SW20_MR2]
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Agreed. My sister ordered a Bolt, but it won't get delivered on time. Now she has to go and buy something else. Pain in the ass.


So what happens in this situation? dealer called her up said they can't get in time and ask if she wanted to back out of the deal? Which dealer was the order from?

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#9381444 - 08/22/18 06:39 AM Re: Get your hybrid/electric vehicles now vPC Govt [Re: Raocorp]
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She gets her deposit back. Dunno which dealer it was, but there has been a 3-4 month wait time for the Bolt, so pretty much every buyer after a certain date would've been waiting. GM said they couldn't do anything either.

 Originally Posted By: Raocorp


So what happens in this situation? dealer called her up said they can't get in time and ask if she wanted to back out of the deal? Which dealer was the order from?
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