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#5851774 - 10/10/11 12:26 PM My Weight Loss + Lifting Photo Updates *Update 09/17/12*
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I'll be updating the original post to keep things organized better.
Move your mouse over the image for the updated photo.

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Total Progess: Diet + 12 Weeks of Lifting + 6 Weeks Off + 23 Weeks Starting Strength

Side: http://nitnelav.com/Body/Mouseover/Week41/NoDiet_41weeks_side.html

Front: http://nitnelav.com/Body/Mouseover/Week41/NoDiet_41weeks_front.html

41 Weeks (12 Weeks Lifting + 6 Weeks Off + 23 Weeks Starting Strength)

Side: http://nitnelav.com/Body/Mouseover/Week41/0to41weeks_side.html

Front: http://nitnelav.com/Body/Mouseover/Week41/0to41weeks_front.html

32 Weeks (12 Weeks Lifting + 4 Weeks Off + 16 Weeks Starting Strength)

Side: http://nitnelav.com/Body/Mouseover/Week32/0to32weeks_side.html

Front: http://nitnelav.com/Body/Mouseover/Week32/0to32weeks_front.html

28 Weeks (12 Weeks Lifting + 4 Weeks Off + 12 Weeks Starting Strength)

Side: http://nitnelav.com/Body/Mouseover/Week28/0to28weeks_side.html

Front: http://nitnelav.com/Body/Mouseover/Week28/0to28weeks_front.html

24 Weeks (12 Weeks Lifting + 4 Weeks Off + 8 Weeks Starting Strength)

Side: http://nitnelav.com/Body/Mouseover/Week24/0to24weeks_side.html

Front: http://nitnelav.com/Body/Mouseover/Week24/0to24weeks_front.html

20 Weeks (12 Weeks Lifting + 4 Weeks Off + 4 Weeks Starting Strength)

Side: http://nitnelav.com/Body/Mouseover/Week20/0to20weeks_side.html

Front: http://nitnelav.com/Body/Mouseover/Week20/0to20weeks_front.html

Biceps: http://nitnelav.com/Body/Mouseover/Week20/0to20weeks_biceps.html

16 Weeks (12 weeks lifting + 4 weeks off)

Side: http://nitnelav.com/Body/Mouseover/Week%2016/0to16weeks_side.html

Front: http://nitnelav.com/Body/Mouseover/Week%2016/0to16weeks_front.html

12 Weeks of Lifting

Side: http://nitnelav.com/Body/Mouseover/Week12/0to12weeks_side.html

Front: http://nitnelav.com/Body/Mouseover/Week12/0to12weeks_front.html

Biceps: http://nitnelav.com/Body/Mouseover/Week12/0to12weeks_biceps.html


8 Weeks of Lifting

Side: http://nitnelav.com/Body/Mouseover/0to8weeks1.html

Front: http://nitnelav.com/Body/Mouseover/0to8weeks3.html

Biceps: http://nitnelav.com/Body/Mouseover/0to8weeks2.html

4 Weeks of Lifitng

Side: http://nitnelav.com/Body/0to4weeks3.html

Front: http://nitnelav.com/Body/0to4weeks1.html

Biceps: http://nitnelav.com/Body/0to4weeks2.html
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#5851984 - 10/10/11 02:12 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: HX_Guy]
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#5851994 - 10/10/11 02:16 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: RedACR]
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 Originally Posted By: RedACR
Doin any cardio?


Yes, my routine has been weights on Monday - Wednesday - Friday and cardio on Tuesday & Thursday. Cardio consists of either 1 hour of elliptical or 50 minutes of treadmill @ 5mph.

I've also been really watching my calories and keeping them at 1500 - 1600 per day...except on the weekends I slip here and there, but really strict Monday - Friday. And on the weekends I may have 1 bad meal on Saturday and one on Sunday, while still being strict for say breakfast and lunch.
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#5852062 - 10/10/11 02:48 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: HX_Guy]
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#5852146 - 10/10/11 03:33 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Sir Ironpool]
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lol 4 weeks

Come back in 6 months and compare them.

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#5852345 - 10/10/11 05:32 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Silock]
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Hah...I was half expecting everyone come in and say "Dude you need to change something up, it looks like you havent been doing anything" so in a way it's encouraging that everyone is sayings it's too early.

6 months is my goal (though I plan on going indefinitely) for an actual body transformation but I'd like to see some progress along the way of course...maybe at 3 months it'll be noticeable. Either way I guess I can just use this thread to keep on ongoing blog on the progress. \:\)
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#5852440 - 10/10/11 06:29 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: HX_Guy]
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 Originally Posted By: HX_Guy

6 months is my goal (though I plan on going indefinitely) for an actual body transformation but I'd like to see some progress along the way of course...maybe at 3 months it'll be noticeable. Either way I guess I can just use this thread to keep on ongoing blog on the progress. \:\)


You're not going to see a "transformation" in 6 months. Progress sure.
The only people that see a "transformation" are those looking to cut a lot of weight. Because, surprise surprise, cutting 20lbs of fat actually isn't that hard over 6 months. If you commit.
4 weeks is nothing. Honestly it's amazing people expect much in 4 weeks. Unless you're going biggest loser and coming from grossly out of shape and then training 4+ hours a day with a trainer and working with a dietician.

That said, you can see great progress in 2-3 months, but it's incremental. It's not like you'll have washboards and 2" bigger arms one day.

Your generall persona as shown on the forums tend to be pretty much "I want it all and I want it now". That's not how the body works, you've got to work at it alot.

P.s. after 4 weeks you need to be going faster the 5mph. Push yourself. Oh and unless you have knee/feet problems ditch the elipical. I'm not saying this based on looks, but it just sounds pretty lax.

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#5852545 - 10/10/11 07:51 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: ]
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#5852756 - 10/10/11 09:46 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Gsr Hatch]
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#5853034 - 10/10/11 11:58 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Lewis]
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I can definitely tell a difference. Look at the thickness of your upper chest and your shoulders in the side profile pic.

Dude, just keep at it. Are you doing compound lifts and free weights?

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#5853079 - 10/11/11 12:33 AM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: FireInTheWhole]
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 Originally Posted By: FireInTheWhole
I can definitely tell a difference. Look at the thickness of your upper chest and your shoulders in the side profile pic.

Dude, just keep at it. Are you doing compound lifts and free weights?


Good observation, I guess from that side profile pic, you can tell a difference.

I am definitely getting stronger so I know something is happening. My leg press is up by 50lbs and my bench press is up by 40lbs (sounds more impressive than it is...I am still only benching 73% of my body weight 3 sets 10x each flat bench) and I can do 3 full chin-ups (couldn't even do one when I started 4 weeks ago).

I'm doing a mix of excercises...basically...

Legs:
Hack Squats
Seated Calf Raises
Incline Leg Press

Back:
Narrow underhand lat pulldown
Wide overhand lat pulldown

Chest:
Decline Bench
Flat Bench
Incline Bench

Biceps:
Standing Barbell Curls
Seated Scott Curls
Concentration Curls

Shoulders:
Military Press
Lateral Raises
Front Dumbell Raises

Triceps:
Seated Overhead Extensions
Cable Pulldowns

I do them...

Monday
Wednesday
Friday

...in the order that you see above...the ones listed only twice I repeat Monday's on Friday. For legs I do 5 sets, for back I do 4 sets and for everything else I do 3 sets.
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#5853326 - 10/11/11 08:48 AM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: HX_Guy]
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Dude, instead of hack squats do a real barbell squat, even if you cannot do much weight. Just go really low and explode out of the bottom using your ass and hamstrings. Not only will this get rid if the chicken legs, it will give you a huge boost in fat loss and also overall testosterone which will make all of your muscle grow faster.
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#5853329 - 10/11/11 08:49 AM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: FireInTheWhole]
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Wait, you do all that stuff each time you go to the gym? Oh shit. Would it be possible to go 5 times a week for less time?
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#5853469 - 10/11/11 09:56 AM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: FireInTheWhole]
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 Originally Posted By: FireInTheWhole
Dude, instead of hack squats do a real barbell squat, even if you cannot do much weight. Just go really low and explode out of the bottom using your ass and hamstrings. Not only will this get rid if the chicken legs, it will give you a huge boost in fat loss and also overall testosterone which will make all of your muscle grow faster.


The bolded part is false, but I still agree with you. Everyone should do squats.

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#5853615 - 10/11/11 11:03 AM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Silock]
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You don't think doing heavy squats will make your body produce more test?
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#5853642 - 10/11/11 11:19 AM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: FireInTheWhole]
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Squats work the largest muscles in your body which will in turn release the most hormones including testosterone. Am I also missing something?
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#5853847 - 10/11/11 12:51 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: TYJelly]
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4 weeks?



come back in 4 yrs
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#5853939 - 10/11/11 01:28 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: FireInTheWhole]
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 Originally Posted By: FireInTheWhole
You don't think doing heavy squats will make your body produce more test?


Scientifically speaking, I've never seen it substantiated anywhere that the minor increase in testosterone leads to more overall growth everywhere. I've seen it scientifically debunked, but never supported to a statistically significant level. It seems to be more of a localized effect than anything.

Though, again, I stress that I'm not disagreeing fundamentally. Squats are awesome and absolutely should be done for a number of very, very good reasons. From all the research I've done, increased testosterone for ancillary mass building just isn't one of them.

Edit:
http://jap.physiology.org/content/108/1/60.full

http://gradworks.umi.com/34/32/3432479.html

And this guy is such a fucking goof, but he's right on (and coincides with the above study) with #4:
http://www.scoobysworkshop.com/squats.htm


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#5853999 - 10/11/11 01:50 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Silock]
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Could be. Either way they rock.
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#5854011 - 10/11/11 01:56 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: FireInTheWhole]
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 Originally Posted By: FireInTheWhole
Wait, you do all that stuff each time you go to the gym? Oh shit. Would it be possible to go 5 times a week for less time?


I don't do all the stuff listed every time I go...I do one of each from each group...so for example Monday would look like...

Legs: Hack squats x 5 sets x 12 reps
Back: Close underhand lat pulldown x 4 sets x 12 reps
Chest: Decline bench x 3 sets x 10 reps
Biceps: Standing barbell curls x 3 sets x 10 reps
Shoulders: Military Press x 3 sets x 10 reps
Triceps: Seated Extensions x 3 sets x 10 reps

It takes right around one hour to complete and the routine came from the advice of Silock and a site he recommended for the most effective exercises (though I think they recommended regular squats, no hack squats).
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#5854020 - 10/11/11 01:59 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: FireInTheWhole]
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 Originally Posted By: FireInTheWhole
Could be. Either way they rock.


Agreed!

And to clarify: I'm also not saying that they don't contribute to building muscle in places other than your legs. They do. For instance, heavy squats work your shoulders, too, due to having to stabilize the weight. They work your core better than just about any other exercise (save perhaps the deadlift), and certainly better than crunches or planks or any of those things. It's just not the increased testosterone that's doing it -- it's the hard work of lifting heavy shit and stabilizing it in 3 planes of motion.

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#5854021 - 10/11/11 01:59 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: FireInTheWhole]
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 Originally Posted By: FireInTheWhole
Dude, instead of hack squats do a real barbell squat, even if you cannot do much weight. Just go really low and explode out of the bottom using your ass and hamstrings.


That's how low you're supposed to go with squats? On the hack squat machine, I go to 90º at my knees and back up, it's hard a fuck but I really feel it in my quads. I don't really it does much for my hamstrings or ass...but that's where the incline leg press comes in on Fridays...with that I go where my thighs are almost touching my chest and I really feel that in my hamstrings and ass.
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#5854024 - 10/11/11 02:00 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: HX_Guy]
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 Originally Posted By: HX_Guy
(though I think they recommended regular squats, no hack squats).


There's a reason for that ;\)

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#5854029 - 10/11/11 02:02 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: HX_Guy]
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 Originally Posted By: HX_Guy
 Originally Posted By: FireInTheWhole
Dude, instead of hack squats do a real barbell squat, even if you cannot do much weight. Just go really low and explode out of the bottom using your ass and hamstrings.


That's how low you're supposed to go with squats? On the hack squat machine, I go to 90º at my knees and back up, it's hard a fuck but I really feel it in my quads. I don't really it does much for my hamstrings or ass...but that's where the incline leg press comes in on Fridays...with that I go where my thighs are almost touching my chest and I really feel that in my hamstrings and ass.


Combine the two and do it like you're supposed to.

Squats aren't just a quad exercise. You should be feeling it in your core, groin, hamstrings, ass, quads, calves and a few other places.

The way you're doing it isn't working your core at all, and not giving you enough overall stimulation in your lower body to really develop the muscles.

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#5854030 - 10/11/11 02:03 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Silock]
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#5854037 - 10/11/11 02:05 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Silock]
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Hey! Wait a second...I knew there was a reason I was doing hack squats...

http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2011/08/suppversity-emg-series-gluteaus-maximus.html

The most effective exercises with standard equipment:
Hack squats, lying on machine, 50° knee angle
Hack squats, lying on machine, 90° knee angle
Squats, barbell, 70° knee angle
45° leg press, 90° knee angle
Squats, barbell, 90° knee angle
Squats, barbell, 40° knee angle



Image 2: Turns out the hack squat is the
most effective exercise. In that, going deep
(50° knee angle) is only slightly more taxing
on the quads than the standard
and much safer 90° knee angle.




While the EMG activity of the quads may be marginally improved in the case of the hack squat (+0.38%), doing one's squats "ass to the ground", as some people like to call it, actually reduces the quad activity by -10.34%.
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#5854672 - 10/11/11 06:54 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: HX_Guy]
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Right, but the squat isn't JUST about quad activation. There's much more to it than that. Core activation (both abs and lower back) and strengthening and total leg development. You aren't a bodybuilder, so there's no need for you to just focus on quad development. You need to be doing real squats. You're missing out on everything else.

That article also points to the traditional squat as the #1 most effective, recommended exercise. He doesn't recommend going past parallel, but I think he's completely wrong about that, as he doesn't actually back that up with any studies or real data.

Don't major in the minors.

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#5854796 - 10/11/11 07:45 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Silock]
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Yeah, hacks are great for quads and quads only. They barely work the ass and hams at all.

Legs days I do a little something like this with some of the things switched out and around every few weeks.

-Warm up consists of 2 sets of bodyweight squats, 2 sets of 135 squats, one set of like 225, then one rep of the weight I am going to be starting with so I can get acclimated to the weight.
-4 sets of squats
-2 sets of deep single leg squats with my back leg on a weight bench and holding dumbells
-4 sets of calves. I do these right her to give my major leg muscles a rest for a bit.
-2 sets of stiff leg deadlifts
-2 sets of hack squats
-2 sets of those inny things on the machine and then 2 sets of the outies. LOL I don't know what they call them, but they work your groin muscles and your hips and glutes.
-If I have anything left I will throw 135 on the squat again and just rep out as many as I can, but I rarely have enough juice left to do this.

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#5904976 - 11/03/11 01:11 AM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: FireInTheWhole]
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Monday will be 8 weeks since I started lifting and I will be taking some new pictures then, but in the mean time, I decided to look through some older pictures from this year before I started on my diet. I may be getting a little bit too into this but it's kind of fun.

I've made a couple mouseover sites with progress and I'll keep these going as I progress, with notes to help me keep track of things at the bottom of each page.

First I have my pre-diet to dieting/4 weeks of lifting comparison: http://nitnelav.com/Body/Mouseover/190to187.html

Then after dieting/cardio for a couple months (no lifting) to 4 weeks of lifting: http://nitnelav.com/Body/Mouseover/0to4weeks1.html
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#5905003 - 11/03/11 01:44 AM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: HX_Guy]
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I see zero difference between those two pics, except a lack of body hair.
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#5905005 - 11/03/11 01:45 AM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: Silock]
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I see zero difference between those two pics, except a lack of body hair.


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Did you see the newest reply I made (directly above yours) with the links?

http://nitnelav.com/Body/Mouseover/190to187.html
http://nitnelav.com/Body/Mouseover/0to4weeks1.html
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#5905008 - 11/03/11 01:50 AM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: HX_Guy]
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Yeah, that's what I was looking at. You probably see the difference, though, considering you look at yourself every day.
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#5905784 - 11/03/11 12:36 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: [OB11BO
]I see some minor differences. But lifting takes more time.

Also, I suspect your diet is slowing you down. 8 weeks should have gotten you a lot of weight down. What have you lost?


Honestly, nothing, which I'm finding very weird. It used to be fairly easy for me to drop 1.5lbs per week but since I've started lifting and keeping my calories at 1500/day I literally haven't dropped in weight...hell this morning I'm actually heavier than I was 8 weeks ago. I was 187.0 this morning compared to 186.1 8 weeks ago.

I'm noticing a difference though...a little bit in looks but more in how my body feels, it feels tighter...but as flabby and my wife says she can definitely see a chance so I guess I'll just keep on going.

What I always wonder is...what the hell would happen if I didn't watch everything I ate? Damn.
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If I go to 1000-1100 per day, I don't think I can still meet the protein needs. As is with 1500 calories I get about 145g of protein per day.

I usually do take a day or two (usually Saturday and/or Sunday) where I am not as strict with my diet, I'll have one "bad" meal.
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#5906159 - 11/03/11 03:10 PM Re: Four weeks progress... [Re: HX_Guy]
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 Originally Posted By: HX_Guy
If I go to 1000-1100 per day, I don't think I can still meet the protein needs. As is with 1500 calories I get about 145g of protein per day.

I usually do take a day or two (usually Saturday and/or Sunday) where I am not as strict with my diet, I'll have one "bad" meal.


Just my severely limited opinion...
But what are you actuall doing when you work out?

If you can run 50 @ 5 miles, get off the damn eliptical. If your body can take the impact elipticals are normally a way to slack. Get your heart rate up. And if you can do 50@5mph, push yourself to get faster. 12 minute miles aren't exactly going to melt the fat off. Sure slow and steady eats calories up, but if you can get your heart rate up you'll have longer burn. The goal should be something like 1 hour at about 7+mph. There's no reason a 30 y/o @ sub 190 shouldn't be able to work towards that. Start by doing 5-10minutes at a time at 6mph, and alternate. Even soft intervals will get your cardio system more active.

Oh and get a plan on weights. I'll admit I'm no expert here, but I've always had a plan at least.

Honestly I think you're not pushing yourself enough.

That said, 8 weeks still isn't that long. But for how few calories your on I would have expected to see more results that a 1/2 inch in your belly and no weight loss.

How much are you "cheating" on weekends and the bad meal? Is the one "bad" meal 1200 calories? I've never been a dieter, but it seem everyone I know with diet problems cheats too much.

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