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#164317 - 01/16/06 04:03 PM Re: Turbo related question
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And just to let you know i have been searching , but still i havent found no wea wats the difference etc etc , beside this is a place to learn.
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#164318 - 01/17/06 04:56 AM Re: Turbo related question
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I got this response on evans tuning forums regarding choices of turbos....

"Id say a GT28rs or GT2817r would be your best choice. GT28rs will be a little less happy in the top end in comparison to the GT2817r. GT28rs is limited to roughly 350whp while the GT2817r can make closer to 450whp. Gives you a little more growing room. GT28rs will probably hit closer to your spool times than the GT2817r though.

If I had to chose one, It would be the GT2817r. My gut feeling is when you spend money building an engine block you will get power hungry. GT2817r will give you more room for growth."

What do you guys think?
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#164319 - 01/17/06 07:35 AM Re: Turbo related question
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yes...for sure. i havnt really dealt with any of the GT series turbos smaller than the 35R....but i know right off the bat the GTR series turbos are where its at....its all i want to use on my car from now on.....if you can affored it go for it.

ALWAYS go with something a little larger than you want....just like you said you WILL want more power down the road! unless your set on the power goals you set i'd even consider the GT30R's.......i actually prefer a little bit of lag....and the whole "lag" thing is something you need to experiance first hand to understand that its not as bad as people make it out to be as long as you dont have like at PT70 on your car or something... the bigger GT28 is rated at 440 Flywheel horsepower...but the GT series turbo's are underrated.......keep in mind that if your going with a smaller turbo and want to make 350-400whp its going to take a lot of boost. thats the nicer part of going with a turbo thats slightly larger...you can make the same horsepower at lower boost levels which is better on pump gas.
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#164320 - 01/17/06 09:28 AM Re: Turbo related question
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So then the GT2817R should be the one to go for , I just want 300 - 350whp NOT BHP with a nice torque no laggy and good response but also top end I think this turbo seems well good for it. T-charged what psi you reckon I can manage the power goal?? i saw a GT28RS vs a GT3071 in full race site the dyno is hosted by evans tuning ... wow the torque is amazing and made more power/torque than the GT3071 everywhere i think this was at around 11psi on stock b18b only problem i think there was that the turbo doesnt produce power till the redline and i wud imagine even so on a b16 which revs higher.
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#164321 - 01/17/06 10:10 AM Re: Turbo related question
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not sure on PSI....i'd say just run a low boost setting of 10-12psi and then a "fun" setting at around 15psi on pump gas. should make the power your looking for no problems.
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#164322 - 01/17/06 11:00 AM Re: Turbo related question
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Would 9:5:1 CR forged piston and rods be capable of supporting that safely or shud i just go with 9:1
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#164323 - 01/17/06 11:39 AM Re: Turbo related question
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i like compression with boost when on race gas.....but for a pump gas car i'd just stick to 9:1
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#164324 - 01/17/06 12:32 PM Re: Turbo related question
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c0ol , if the extra Cr help alot i might stick a methanol/water injection thing. if not well i guess 9:1 is fine.
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#164325 - 01/17/06 01:04 PM Re: Turbo related question
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just stick to 9:1
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#164326 - 01/17/06 01:42 PM Re: Turbo related question
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just stick to 9:1





Yep.

I don't mind lag @ all...makes the driving experience waay more fun...wait, wait....boom!

I only have lag in 1st gear...after that it's practically instantanious.

Lag is derived from people with little turbo's......

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#164327 - 01/17/06 01:46 PM Re: Turbo related question
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Yeah i was thinking that once your in second or third gear you have exhuast gases flowing meaning the turbo is load dependent rite? so therefore in 3rd gear at 4,000rpms the load is greater meaning turbo should respond quicker .. i sure hope iam right lolol I will be sticking to 9:1
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#164328 - 01/17/06 01:49 PM Re: Turbo related question
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Yeah i was thinking that once your in second or third gear you have exhuast gases flowing meaning the turbo is load dependent rite? so therefore in 3rd gear at 4,000rpms the load is greater meaning turbo should respond quicker .. i sure hope iam right lolol I will be sticking to 9:1





Sorta.

"Assuming" you are under WOT and in your gearing powerband, you will be in boost.

5k-9k is your range, the turbo will be kicking hard during that...

But...if you are just tooling around and in 4th gear and punch it, it will stick take a few seconds to get going, or you may even need to downshift...

You will see....

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#164329 - 01/17/06 01:54 PM Re: Turbo related question
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heheh well atleast i got somethin more or less right lol, hopefully i wont wait a few seconds ... GT2871r should spool up before yours ..and ball bearing makes response much quicker, lets see what turbo i stick too...
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#164330 - 01/17/06 04:51 PM Re: Turbo related question
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boost response between shifts is much much much much greater with a ball bearing turbo too


also....another thing i think is funny about the whole "lag" thing........ even with a small turbo....a lot of times the gauge will say 5psi or so but the car still isnt going anywhere.....like in 5th gear if you stomp it going up a hill......sure the car will make boost at a low rpm....but its not going anywhere...so who cares! you will be happy with the turbo you have selected


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#164331 - 01/18/06 07:05 AM Re: Turbo related question
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I think iam gonna stick with 9:5:1 aint that much of difference, if i feel the need to lower i could just get a thicker head gasket to help lower the CR a little more .the tuner iam getting is apparently very good, going with 9:5:1 will also help in down low response. i know what you mean the about the 5th gear, my cruising is mostly done in 4th gear and around 2400rpm 57km/h more or less.. remeber i live ina very small small town. use google earth and search gibraltar you can even see my house the roads even my car althought it just looks like a white blur lolol . finally .... I know this is may be a stupid question but no matter.. lol originally i was gonna go with 16" light weight rims cos i had the vortech ... now iam thinking ... more power better powerband more torque... 17" wud seem better at gripping right? and also i cud fit a nice four pot break kit under thea.
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#164332 - 01/18/06 07:51 AM Re: Turbo related question
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nah....you want a smaller wheel with a bigger tire for traction. the more sidewall the better. just like on slicks....we run 13 inch wheels with 24.5 inch tire. more sidewall = more traction.

9.5 compression will be fine, just leaves less room for tunning errors than a 9:1 piston
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#164333 - 01/18/06 04:49 PM Re: Turbo related question
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Just got response from evans tuning ... well one of the members he says that the GT28rs wud not die at top end on the b16... *roll eyes* rite.... then why does in every graph the torque and hp drop off at around 7500rpm. I ve also thought what you told me when earlier on i asked about the valvetrain.. i might just go with springs and up the rev limit to around 8800-9000rpm if still making power with the turbo i choose of course.. while geoff from full race recomends the AC GT 2 full race kit .. the turbo on that kit is a GT3037 .. choosing one seems to be tuff .. but the GT2871R should be in between those too i think.. iam not sure... anyways i will pm you my full setup and lets see.

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#164334 - 01/18/06 05:04 PM Re: Turbo related question
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me and geoff reccomended the same turbo.....thats kinda funny. jeff's car just made 790whp @ 44psi of boost with a GT40R. SSSSIIIIIICCCCKKKK
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#164335 - 01/18/06 05:12 PM Re: Turbo related question
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that's what I said...3037 or 3076.....if you get a gt28RS get the .82 housing and it prolly won't fall off so bad up top....that is what jeff evans uses on his road race car I believe.
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#164336 - 01/18/06 05:15 PM Re: Turbo related question
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I know that was awsome did you see the video??? the warning came up on the dyno due to the torque been exceeded hahahah. So you and geoff have talked then lolol
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#164337 - 01/18/06 05:28 PM Re: Turbo related question
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yea me and geoff talk pretty frequently.

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#164338 - 01/23/06 02:40 PM Re: Turbo related question
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mastrcobb sorry man i havent noticed your post till today lolol, would using there full race intake manifold help on the top end too?

T-charged I Pm ed you regarding the setup lets see what the guru recommends, does anyone in this forum have full race GT AC klt stage 1 or 2 kits ???
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#164339 - 01/23/06 04:12 PM Re: Turbo related question
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mastrcobb sorry man i havent noticed your post till today lolol, would using there full race intake manifold help on the top end too?

T-charged I Pm ed you regarding the setup lets see what the guru recommends, does anyone in this forum have full race GT AC klt stage 1 or 2 kits ???




Of course their intake mani would help a alot over a stock peice,especially in the mid-top ranges.

Cams would also allow the engine to breathe more smoothly near redline as well..

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#164340 - 01/23/06 04:23 PM Re: Turbo related question
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I have GSR cams ready to put in.. actually i have to check if they are alright i rember complaining about somthing when i got them ... mental note must check cams ... see my mission is to make the car have quick spool and response but with top end too so iam tryin to match up componets to get my goals hopefully will see the end result in the coming months ahead. soo anyone??! .... in this forum have full race GT AC klt stage 1 or 2 kits ??? :|
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#164341 - 01/24/06 05:07 AM Re: Turbo related question
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*Bump* anyone ??
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