#6318645 - 05/03/12 12:30 PM
Re: The first lesson the EVO has taught me...
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ElectronVTEC2
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Yea, I just need to get used to it and see if I can adjust it down a little more since it's practically right at the top and my left leg isn't used to just a little "stab" of the clutch I guess. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, just observing and my post was mostly tongue-in-cheek.
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#6318844 - 05/03/12 01:29 PM
Re: The first lesson the EVO has taught me...
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lol, those cars in general mask a LOT of bad driving. Every time I drive one at the track, I feel like I don't have to do anything. Just turn the wheel where you want to go, put the power down, and the car will do everything else for you. At least that's the feeling I've got from the new STi
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#6318863 - 05/03/12 01:35 PM
Re: The first lesson the EVO has taught me...
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ElectronVTEC2
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I'd imagine you're right, haven't been on a track and not sure if/when I'll get to be. I'm thinking I want to start out at the Tire Rack for their AutoX events since they have a really nice track for it and it's all of 5 minutes from my house. Like Dan said in another thread, I'm not doing myself any favors by "learning" on the EVO since they do mask so much driver error but it's what I have so it's how I'll learn I suppose. The only point I was trying to make is I'm not shifting smoothly or quickly at this point, I feel like a complete n00b.
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#6319321 - 05/03/12 03:42 PM
Re: The first lesson the EVO has taught me...
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The only point I was trying to make is I'm not shifting smoothly or quickly at this point, I feel like a complete n00b.
Are you sure there's nothing wrong with any of the parts? Hopefully danl will have some advice on things to check for...???
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#6319591 - 05/03/12 06:07 PM
Re: The first lesson the EVO has taught me...
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ElectronVTEC2
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The only point I was trying to make is I'm not shifting smoothly or quickly at this point, I feel like a complete n00b. Are you sure there's nothing wrong with any of the parts? Hopefully danl will have some advice on things to check for...???
It was at the upper end of it's adjustment. I got underneath and started lowering the engagement point and it seems more natural now after just backing out of the garage and pulling back up our driveway (which is pretty steep). I may have gone a touch too far the other way, but at least I know now it's not something more sinister than just the clutch rod adjustment. I'd say I turned it about 1.5 total turns counterclockwise (lowers engagement point).
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#6319619 - 05/03/12 06:19 PM
Re: The first lesson the EVO has taught me...
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ElectronVTEC2
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I know EXACTLY what you mean. The newer Z's engage at like 5-10% pedal travel -- it's definitely something you have to get used to...Hell, it's been 25k miles, and I'm still not used to it. Driven stick my entire life (16+ years driving), and this is by far the most difficult stick I've driven. I still have difficulty on hills & "normal" takeoffs (slight clutch slip) from a stop....launching isn't any different, nor is slowly easing the clutch out until you start moving. I actually am making "what shoes am I going to wear" decisions now based on how conducive they are to pedal feel.  It's difficult, b/c at only 5-10% pedal travel, you can barely feel any pedal pressure/feedback at all...so it's difficult to tell if you're actually pushing the pedal at all for those first few bits...I am much smoother in bare feet or in my 1/4" sole work shoes than I am in tennis shoes.
Do the Z's have any kind of clutch-rod adjustment? The VIII and IX have it, but they did away with it on the X and I was reading at least a few complaints about folks with really high engagement points but with no way to adjust it down. I seriously felt like I had never driven a stick before at times... Never killed it, but that's small consolation for bucking/rocking the shit out of it just getting it going 
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#6319633 - 05/03/12 06:25 PM
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ElectronVTEC2
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Ugh. I'm not sure why they ditched it on the X. I read a few scattered complaints about clutch master cylinders blowing up too, not sure what the hell would happen there.
I'm actually surprised the rod adjustment moved it down as much as it did and was thinking if I went too far, I'd get drag or lockout at high RPM but I wound it all the way out and got the smoothest shift I've had yet above 7k. I did the same thing on my 1G DSM loooong ago and while I've forgotten a lot of shit since then, I think I remember it having a lot of adjustment too. It's funny because the process/mechanics in the IX seem very similar to a 20 year old DSM...
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#6319647 - 05/03/12 06:32 PM
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ElectronVTEC2
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Hard to say. The 08 i drove felt perfect but it was brand new. One thing im amazed at is my IX is on the stocker still at 70k and it feels great. There are cats on evom who arent tracking them and needing clutches muuuuch sooner.
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#6319696 - 05/03/12 06:51 PM
Re: The first lesson the EVO has taught me...
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ElectronVTEC2
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With all the different parts (ACD, rear LSD, etc...) in this thing, if you don't take off smooth, the car will remind you to mind your shit. I'm a slipper by nature, but generally get a little "chatter" on most starts so I think that's a good thing? My IX is up on power a little, but it's not making gobs of torque (330/320 at the wheels) and I actually trust the previous owner when he says he never raced it. Even if he did, the car shows absolutely no signs of it so whatever.
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#6319808 - 05/03/12 07:29 PM
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ElectronVTEC2
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It is the stock clutch
Edit - the stock one I referred to earlier was on an EVO X that I test drove a couple years back. I was just making the point that in stock form they didn't seem to need much adjustment.
Edited by ElectronVTEC2 (05/03/12 07:30 PM)
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#6319988 - 05/03/12 09:02 PM
Re: The first lesson the EVO has taught me...
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More than likely the fucked up clutch on the MS3 had ruined you for other cars.. lol
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#6320035 - 05/03/12 09:23 PM
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theLoon
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Srsly, when I test drove an MS3, I hated that clutch. But I feel that way about most modern stock clutches, they all seem too damn light, it's hard to get a feel for the engagement point unless you're wearing ballet shoes.
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#6320075 - 05/03/12 09:41 PM
Re: The first lesson the EVO has taught me...
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ElectronVTEC2
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The clutch in the MS3 was pretty light, but I never really had much trouble with it, at least not enough to notice it. On that note, anyone know a good way of attaching a cruise control cable to a throttle body? On a similar note, I was so happy to see Mitsu didn't drive-by-wire the last gen EVO's. Not sure about the X though... I think it has DBW?
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#6323650 - 05/05/12 06:02 PM
Re: The first lesson the EVO has taught me...
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ElectronVTEC2
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Thanks Dan - I checked the slave while I was under the car today and it seemed fine, I can move it by hand at least. I can say that drivability after the adjustment is much easier for me. I don't know if it's my seating position or what, but it just feels more natural. No drags and high RPM seems smoother but it may just be a muscle memory thing, I don't know.
On another note, I installed a cruise control module today. Fuck you, commute.
And finally, I caught up with a buddy of mine at the drag strip last night who works for Hoosier Tire (about 30 min from my house?) and he gets to go to all of the circuits around the country for work, pretty neat shit. Anyway, he's going to start AutoX with his MR2 at Tire Rack, and I think we're both going to go up to Gingerman for a racing instruction course later this summer.
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