#9460981 - 12/09/18 09:09 AM
Re: sooooo....it's legal tomorrow
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Mr.Bozack
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Risky you seem to know a lot of manufactures in this space. I have tried a couple of samples from the OCS and nothing really impressed me...I have had better outdoor.
All these flavour profiles that they use to sell the product only exist when smelling the bud and maybe the first draw off a portable vape. Once ignited or used in a volcano those profiles are no longer noticeable.
I tried some stuff that was supposed to be 23% THC and it definitely didn't feel as strong as advertised.
Is there a brand/strain that you would recommend from the OCS?
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#9461014 - 12/09/18 10:24 AM
Re: sooooo....it's legal tomorrow
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BroKe
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Do yourself a favor guys and just order from a online dispensary. Quality and customer service is 100 times better. Do not suppose ocs.
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#9461517 - 12/10/18 09:02 AM
Re: sooooo....it's legal tomorrow
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c2k
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Do yourself a favor guys and just order from a online dispensary. Quality and customer service is 100 times better. Do not suppose ocs. This is true except the quality, you have no idea what's used when flowering MoM cannabis, and more likely than not it has a ton of chemicals. I have nothing against mail order and can understand the appeal on price/variety/quality, but don't be ignorant to the fact that more likely than not you are also consuming banned pesticides. Make an educated call, it's your health after all.
In other words..
You get what you pay for?
Im looking into the 1:1 CBD and THC pills, but I dont know how much MG is too much. Is 1 pill enough to take?
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#9461540 - 12/10/18 09:21 AM
Re: sooooo....it's legal tomorrow
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Start with 20mg and move up.
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#9461724 - 12/10/18 12:23 PM
Re: sooooo....it's legal tomorrow
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Mr.Bozack
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Let me know what you tried first before I make a recommendation, you are bang on though. Smell and appearance are only the beginning, how it burns is a big thing, colour of ash, etc.
Lastly, if something is high on cannabinoid potency but has low terpene content, it could produce weak highs. There are strains out there with mid teens THC that are heavy on terps that will knock your socks off compared to a single THC high strain.
Did not know that high terps would affect the experience that much very very interesting. I tried tangerine dream, and a couple of others but a friend ordered them so i didn't pay much attention to the names but they weren't instantly familiar other than tangerine dream.
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#9461961 - 12/10/18 05:43 PM
Re: sooooo....it's legal tomorrow
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BroKe
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Do yourself a favor guys and just order from a online dispensary. Quality and customer service is 100 times better. Do not suppose ocs. This is true except the quality, you have no idea what's used when flowering MoM cannabis, and more likely than not it has a ton of chemicals. I have nothing against mail order and can understand the appeal on price/variety/quality, but don't be ignorant to the fact that more likely than not you are also consuming banned pesticides. Make an educated call, it's your health after all. There is quality bud from quality growers out there. In fact some of the best growers probably aren't even liscensed because of the process. That said. I've found you get what you pay for in this industry. Been smoking everyday for 15 years. I'm no expert but I know good weed when I see it.ive been using moms for years (haha that sounds funny). I have come across some bad weed but at this point there is too much info on the web to not find the good stuff. Plenty of forums with reviews on the bud and the source. One thing about these large corporate grows is that they are looking more at moving quantity over quality. I like small batch craft cannabis like I like my craft beer.
Edited by Low_Budget_Honda (12/10/18 05:45 PM)
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#9461962 - 12/10/18 05:44 PM
Re: sooooo....it's legal tomorrow
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Do yourself a favor guys and just order from a online dispensary. Quality and customer service is 100 times better. Do not suppose ocs. This is true except the quality, you have no idea what's used when flowering MoM cannabis, and more likely than not it has a ton of chemicals. I have nothing against mail order and can understand the appeal on price/variety/quality, but don't be ignorant to the fact that more likely than not you are also consuming banned pesticides. Make an educated call, it's your health after all. In other words.. You get what you pay for? Im looking into the 1:1 CBD and THC pills, but I dont know how much MG is too much. Is 1 pill enough to take?
On the rec market none of this is relevant since you don't have choice. If you have access to the medical market usually the lowest potency 1:1 capsules have about ~2.5mg THC and ~2.5mg CBD, so 5mg total. For someone trying to find dosage it's best to start with something low like this, chances are it won't do much though, but I've also seen people trip balls of a single 5mg capsule.
Again anecdotally I'd say 10mg total is a good starting point, so two of those very weak capsules for a woman or a smaller man would probably be sufficient, trial and error. For a bigger person you are probably looking at 20mg like what Bill said.
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#9461968 - 12/10/18 05:50 PM
Re: sooooo....it's legal tomorrow
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Do yourself a favor guys and just order from a online dispensary. Quality and customer service is 100 times better. Do not suppose ocs. This is true except the quality, you have no idea what's used when flowering MoM cannabis, and more likely than not it has a ton of chemicals. I have nothing against mail order and can understand the appeal on price/variety/quality, but don't be ignorant to the fact that more likely than not you are also consuming banned pesticides. Make an educated call, it's your health after all. There is quality bud from quality growers out there. In fact some of the best growers probably aren't even liscensed because of the process. That said. I've found you get what you pay for in this industry. Been smoking everyday for 15 years. I'm no expert but I know good weed when I see it.ive been using moms for years (haha that sounds funny). I have come across some bad weed but at this point there is too much info on the web to not find the good stuff. Plenty of forums with reviews on the bud and the source. One thing about these large corporate grows is that they are looking more at moving quantity over quality. I like small batch craft cannabis like I like my craft beer.
The government is trying to bring all black market growers out of the woodwork by letting them get micro licenses, so we will see how many convert.
The best growers are black market guys, this is fact I agree. While you can definitely appreciate the quality of their end product, you aren't there supervising what they are doing for 8-14 weeks (depending on strain) on how they grow their plants. These plants require a lot of care and there are a ton of harmful pesticides that really help nurture the plants that are banned in the legal system. So while you have a nicer end product from a black market guy you could be ingesting microbial and pesticide counts through the roof.
In California they mandated all grey market cannabis to get third party testing for it to be sold and while it's some of the best stuff out there (getting $25/gram) majority failed QC testing miserably because labs result are finding all kinds of garbage on the buds...that would compromise a sick person's immune system.
We are all beating on a dead horse, black market guys know what's up, but their shit is 99% contaminated with harmful chemicals and you have commercialized growers who grow mass produced trash and can get away with it since quality producers are very far and few in between. Eventually we will find the middle ground where commercial guys will figure it out and or black market guys will also figure out how to grow cleaner and become micros.
I am looking to work with both
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#9461972 - 12/10/18 05:57 PM
Re: sooooo....it's legal tomorrow
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BroKe
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I would start with 5-7 mg if you are new and ingesting. 2nd dose in an hour if no effect
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#9461974 - 12/10/18 05:59 PM
Re: sooooo....it's legal tomorrow
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BroKe
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Yes it's still early. I'm hoping things change. Just have to wait it out and see
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#9461977 - 12/10/18 06:01 PM
Re: sooooo....it's legal tomorrow
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Let me know what you tried first before I make a recommendation, you are bang on though. Smell and appearance are only the beginning, how it burns is a big thing, colour of ash, etc.
Lastly, if something is high on cannabinoid potency but has low terpene content, it could produce weak highs. There are strains out there with mid teens THC that are heavy on terps that will knock your socks off compared to a single THC high strain.
Did not know that high terps would affect the experience that much very very interesting. I tried tangerine dream, and a couple of others but a friend ordered them so i didn't pay much attention to the names but they weren't instantly familiar other than tangerine dream.
Tangerine dream if it was from MedReleaf it should be pretty good, it's one of the best reviewed strains from unbiased platforms. Don't rely on any reviews from lift & co, all that shit is rigged.
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#9461986 - 12/10/18 06:12 PM
Re: sooooo....it's legal tomorrow
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Mr.Bozack
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OK Thanks Risky, I think it was MedReleaf.
You are now the resident expert on all things weed.
How does one get one of these micro licenses? I'm sure it's still a high entry point.
I anticipate the opportunity for craft growers to take up a small piece of the market. Provided the bud is organic and quality. I went to an event at Growers choice held by Canna nutrients and they showed me a bud they grew that was only grown with their ferts (all organic and even vegan they claim) and it was the nicest bud I had seen, all dark purple with amazing citrus smells. I asked what it was and they were throwing around names they were gonna call - I guess these guys created the seeds.
I only check out leafly for reviews - which seem to be "I smoked this and it was the best ever 4.5/5"
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#9462131 - 12/11/18 04:58 AM
Re: sooooo....it's legal tomorrow
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Hardly an expert, but thanks. Also if someone could edit that out from below my username it would be great
If you are serious about a micro license Health Canada is holding a conference call for potential applicants this Thursday, I am dialing in to assess if any of them stand out with their questions and will probably be reaching out to a bunch as I want to work with a small network of good ones. I can send you the call in details if serious.
Entry is significantly easier than becoming an LP, you are limited in how much canopy space you have, but it's enough for you to have a profitable operation. I don't remember the exact details, I think micros will be allowed about 2k sq. ft. of grow space. They will only be able to sell to LP's who will third party test the product...IIRC.
There is no "organic" weed and if it's true organic it would be outdoor grown and garbage. I've looked into organic certs and this is a black hole I wish i never go into, but in short there is no organic cannabis. By definition organic cannabis must be grown in soil beds (you can't use stable grow mediums like rockwool or coco - soil growing is very complex because it has its own micro organisms that affect growth) with the use of 4 pesticides instead of the allowable 20. There are currently 3 LP's that claim organic, only 1 is semi organic, the other two are liars and market themselves as organic, but their finished product isn't actually organic, it's their growing process that's certified "organic" - wtf does that even mean? This shit is brutal as it misleads the consumer. When a grey market guy claims organic just walk away, vegan nutrients lol Sometimes I hate this space.
Leafly FYI is also an LP owned review platform, Tilray out of BC owns them. Brendan bought them years ago, guy is a visionary. I do like to think they are a lot more objective though so it's not a bad source, good starting point anyway.
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#9462132 - 12/11/18 05:22 AM
Re: sooooo....it's legal tomorrow
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c2k
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Hardly an expert, but thanks. Also if someone could edit that out from below my username it would be great
How's that? It's true, Im the color management expert and you're not.
There is no "organic" weed and if it's true organic it would be outdoor grown and garbage. I've looked into organic certs and this is a black hole I wish i never go into, but in short there is no organic cannabis. By definition organic cannabis must be grown in soil beds (you can't use stable grow mediums like rockwool or coco - soil growing is very complex because it has its own micro organisms that affect growth) with the use of 4 pesticides instead of the allowable 20. There are currently 3 LP's that claim organic, only 1 is semi organic, the other two are liars and market themselves as organic, but their finished product isn't actually organic, it's their growing process that's certified "organic" - wtf does that even mean? This shit is brutal as it misleads the consumer. When a grey market guy claims organic just walk away, vegan nutrients lol Sometimes I hate this space.
Are you able to share those 3 LPs who claim it's organic or not yet? Or can you at least say they are selling their products on OCS and I can figure it out from there.
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#9462178 - 12/11/18 08:20 AM
Re: sooooo....it's legal tomorrow
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Mr.Bozack
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And you say you aren't the expert - ha
Great info in here thanks Risky, I would love to get into this industry more and would be interested in joining the call to learn more about the space. I'll PM you. I've joined several calls from Canopy/Tweed in the past and have been able to ask Bruce a question about competing in the Cannabis Cup and he responded with "We would like to create out own competition" I loved his answer.
I'm guessing one of the non-organic claiming they are organic would be the organic dutchman. I'm not asking for confirmation, just throwing the idea out there - as they do have a strong brand promoting that they are organic.
Another organic question. If one where to grow their own personal stash with an organic blend of soil from say Scotts or Pro-mix and use 'organic' nutrients under artificial light that would not be considered organic? Does it need to be under natural sunlight to fall into this classification? I ask because this would be good USP (selling proposition) for a cannabis company.
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#9462183 - 12/11/18 08:33 AM
Re: sooooo....it's legal tomorrow
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BroKe
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Great insight risky. Thanks. I always like to hear what's really going on in the legal industry
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