#59957 - 10/23/04 09:24 PM
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TTWS6
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Any hybrid turbo should make 300 peak hp. why do u want to make 300hp?
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#59960 - 10/23/04 11:31 PM
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Honda350
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Any hybrid turbo should make 300 peak hp. why do u want to make 300hp?
Why not...??
I feel its good to have a goal....thats all...I did the 200whp thing...why not the 300whp thing...?
I went to Sc34, but didn't see any prices???
Can anyone help.... Thanks....
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#59965 - 10/24/04 01:42 AM
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Euphoricuck
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#59966 - 10/24/04 02:05 AM
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if u want ill try and post pics of the turbo in my engine bay.
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#59967 - 10/24/04 05:34 AM
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4doorEG
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Damn, your 14b turbo probably felt like my JRSC on my D-series. puke and die up top hehe
Power still increased on a dyno, but like the way it should FEEL like a big snail.
I'm going with a garrett or turbonetics turbo. Some like a straight T3 48.60 on a b16, but if you're throwing in pistons/rods and plan to up the boost. Go with the famous T3/T4 hybirds. Just gotta keep an eye out for a good deal.\
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#59968 - 10/24/04 09:25 AM
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cliff st-clair
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I'd go t3/t4s.
If you're not going to upgrade the valvetrain I wouldn't go anywhere near the SC61. On the manifold you're using and with your exhaust (2.5" right?) you will never spool it up.
Even with a 3" catless exhaust and the revhard manifold my SC50 spools kind of late, like full boost in 3rd gear comes at 5300-5500rpms or so. For daily driving it's hard to get in boost if I don't rev it to at least 5k.
The Sc61 is a great turbo, but it needs the right parts for it to work the way it's supposed to. A lower compression stock bore and stroke b16 is not what I would consider a good foundation for it.
The 16g will probably get you to high 200s but you'll have to boost the shit out of it.
If I were you I'd try to pick up a 57 trim T3/704e from Garrett, it's essentially the same as the Sc34 but cheaper. I'd also go with the .48 exhaust housing.
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#59969 - 10/24/04 11:08 AM
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TTWS6
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Any hybrid turbo should make 300 peak hp. why do u want to make 300hp?
Why not...??
I feel its good to have a goal....thats all...I did the 200whp thing...why not the 300whp thing...?
I went to Sc34, but didn't see any prices???
Can anyone help....
Thanks....
you missed my point. if you make 300peak hp at 8k it will drive different than a car that peaks 300hp at 6500. so why limit yourself with a round Hp figure? why not set your goal by driveability and actual speed? why are people so fixated on peak hp figures as if it means something?
put plain and simple. if you make 300 peak hp from a sc34 its a totally different car if its making that 300 peak hp from a bigger sc61. I dont think you understand what you want thats why I asked you why do you want 300hp.
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#59974 - 10/25/04 12:52 AM
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PensacolaSi
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Your Price: $742.50
cough cough....I remember now, why I went with the 14b. They are a dime a dozen....
Is that the best possible price?
Taken from home page, which of course you didnt see since you had a direct link (no hatin on the link providing though):
"If you do not create an account, you will NOT see our lowest pricing, period. Don't miss out! Take two minutes to create an account with us. To do so, taking only two minutes of your time, click on "LOGON" above, then click on "I am a new customer". If you have created an account with us, you are already seeing the benefits, which includes savings of over 3% on many items. Simply for creating an account! "
That is all.
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#59975 - 10/25/04 12:56 AM
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PensacolaSi
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I was doing a little researching on H-T also and ran across this...
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Precision SC61 turbo is in excellent condition. Has around 20 passes plus a little road mileage on it. T3, T350 76 trim wheel hot side .63 a/r, 4 bolt dp pattern. Compressor is an E housing .60 a/r using the GT40 compressor wheel. Turbo made 510whp with a mild tune on my CRX, but now it's time to upgrade. Asking $500
No. Not if your power goals are roughly 300whp and you know that thats going to be your goal for awhile (not to say my recommendation coming up wont support more). The reason. The SC61 while having a decent progressing powerband, will still more than likely be far too "laggy" for your application.
I'm shooting from the hip here since I do not know your setup, but, the GT28RS, GT35R and GT3255 are all nice turbos that would probably better suit you.
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#59977 - 10/25/04 04:51 PM
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cliff st-clair
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Man you don't have to listen to any of us.
Here, take a look at different dynos of different setups tuned by one guy. This will allow you to compare and give you an idea of what makes the kind of power you're looking for and what kind of powerband you're looking for:
http://www.evans-tuning.com/viewforum.php?f=5&sid=183d2f3719feee07b455d0a607708a1a
I mean, we can sit here all day long and talk about what works and what doesn't. But from what I've learned in this game, noone knows for sure what kind of power you will make and how to give you the powerband of your dreams; it's impossible to tell unless you've actually tried things yourself, because noone knows your setup as well as you. Noone on here has the right answer for sure.
Oh....and you get used to 300whp reeeealll quick. Trust me.
I'll say it again, I'd try a t3/t4 with a .48 exhaust housing if I were you. Precision sc50s. sc32s, sc34s...don't matter, any of these will make 300whp pretty easily.
The Gt28rs will probably outspool any of those, cuz it's ball bearing and not quite as big a turbo, but last time I checked, they cost over a grand. If Pensacola can do better than that, then by all means go for one of those
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#59978 - 10/25/04 07:58 PM
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PensacolaSi
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I mean, we can sit here all day long and talk about what works and what doesn't. But from what I've learned in this game, noone knows for sure what kind of power you will make and how to give you the powerband of your dreams; it's impossible to tell unless you've actually tried things yourself, because noone knows your setup as well as you. Noone on here has the right answer for sure.
Though speaking from experience of performing dynos, selling turbos left and right. I -believe- you'd be happy with the results from the GT3255. Although, I still do not know your setup, therefore it only makes things a little more difficult.
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#59982 - 10/27/04 10:42 AM
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cliff st-clair
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please do yourself a favour and go with a .63 exh a/r... not a .48.
an sc61 would spool fine ...
Any reasoning behind your suggestion? I mean he clearly stated that he wanted a more responsive turbo. I really don't think the SC61 or a .63 a/r exhaust housing is what he's looking for. Not everybody wants to make 600whp to impress the internet crowd and have a useless street car.
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#59983 - 10/27/04 10:51 AM
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cliff st-clair
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I like the sc61/34 stuff. Seems good quality. I would like to be in boost by around 3-5k. Not necessaraly full boost but in boost none the less.
Oh any of those you will start to make boost at 3.5k rpms, but it won't be anything major. What you want is something that will make full boost by 4200-4500rpms, then you're talking spoolup.
On my sc50 I start making boost at 3krpms but it isn't until 5k rpms+ that I start to feel significant power. In day to day traffic, if I want to feel boost I find myself shifting at around 6krpms.
My powerband is great for racing, because it's always in the high rpms after every shift, but for daily driving, it could use a faster spool up.
It's become more apparent lately because I've been driving the car in day to day traffic a lot.
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#59987 - 10/27/04 10:48 PM
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Euphoricuck
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#59990 - 10/28/04 11:25 AM
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cliff st-clair
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I rode in his car with the 14b, it didn't die off, though the wastegate was only set at 9lbs. That turbo has a good bit more in it, though I don't think near enough to peak 300hp.
Anyways, like I said would a bigger exhaust and an equal length manifold help spool? Also do you think he'll have to upgrade his fuel injectors...right now he's running 450's.
A bigger exhaust and ELM would definitely help more, but unless he can fabricate his own I really don't think he wants to go there. Those manifolds are pricey.
Those injectors will be maxed out at that power level, and that's after raising his static fuel pressure to 50psi or so. I guess he can raise it even more, but I wouldn't do it.
To be safe he needs at least 680s. You always want bigger injectors than you need, just to avoid running them at near 100% duty cycle.
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