#1282104 - 04/21/07 09:09 AM
Re: Advise me on BIG injectors
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#1284430 - 04/22/07 03:55 PM
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1600's work well on 2.0L an e85. 1000's on gas support 650 and more hp (depends a lot on your redline).
Let's talk about rpm vs injector size. I'm guessing higher rpm will support more horsepower on a given injector size? I will be running the Neon up to about 7200rpm, possible a little higher. Horsepower peak will probably be at 6600-6800.
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#1284688 - 04/22/07 06:05 PM
Re: Advise me on BIG injectors
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OnyxEros
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yu0= gay extra injectors are the best way to idle and putt around like stock hes not running an fmu. proper computers can idle anything he will use. extra injectors are for losers.
please stick to your shitty podunk none performane 1.8L honda
Any one that knows anything about tuning for drivability and big power knows that running extra staged injectors are the best way to get the best of both worlds.
Nevermind better fuel atomization and placing staged injectors further up the intake tract to promote tumble at high rpm. It's simple common sense for those that build motors.
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#1284916 - 04/22/07 08:01 PM
Re: Advise me on BIG injectors
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Z24 lol
and Fuck you for the new name lol
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you do realize that model came with the SR20DE, and he has the SR20VE anyway now...
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#1285005 - 04/22/07 08:28 PM
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yes I know it has the de...
point?
please stick to your shitty podunk none performane 1.8L honda
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#1285050 - 04/22/07 08:40 PM
Re: Advise me on BIG injectors
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Z24 lol
and Fuck you for the new name lol
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yes I know it has the de... point? please stick to your shitty podunk none performane 1.8L honda
well the SR20DE is 2L and the SR20 is arguably better.
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#1285085 - 04/22/07 08:51 PM
Re: Advise me on BIG injectors
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Let's talk about rpm vs injector size. I'm guessing higher rpm will support more horsepower on a given injector size? I will be running the Neon up to about 7200rpm, possible a little higher. Horsepower peak will probably be at 6600-6800.
Thread Jackers! LOL
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#1285167 - 04/22/07 09:24 PM
Re: Advise me on BIG injectors
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Z24 lol
and Fuck you for the new name lol
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de... even the ve. its not like its something special compared to an equivalent honda motor. not in the least. makes no sense. if he had an ls7 swap it would make more sense. running 8 injectors on a 200 hp 4 banger is stupid.
did you even read what they said? and btw i think he does have a VE.
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#1285207 - 04/22/07 09:39 PM
Re: Advise me on BIG injectors
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Z24 lol
and Fuck you for the new name lol
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read what who said? you said they. who is they?
ya great he has a ve. he is no better off than I am with a "shitty 1.8 honda".
great, hes doing some n/a build, running 8 fucking injectors to make 200 hp and is gonna run low 14's at 98 mph. sounds awesome to me. where do I sign up?
theres no point for scotty to run extra injectors. he will be fine running the appropriate size injectors for his (roughly) 400whp set up. no aftermarket ecu will have issues running injectors for that power level. itll idle just fine and perform great. he will have 4 injectors. no need to bother with extra fuel rails , lines, wiring etc.
He never said anything about his car. He said big turbos... God your so blinded by him making fun of your 1.8l engine(size complexion?) that you didnt read the rest.
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#1285292 - 04/22/07 10:20 PM
Re: Advise me on BIG injectors
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Euphoricuck
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KISS. keep it simple... if you can avoid putting on extra shit then why wouldnt you?
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#1285309 - 04/22/07 10:23 PM
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#1285370 - 04/22/07 10:38 PM
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#1285525 - 04/22/07 11:13 PM
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OnyxEros
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hey ass produce a motor that shows you know wtf you are talking about or save the big conversation for the big boys
I know 200hp is the holy grail for your 1.8 but the big boys have bigger toys to play with...
oh yeah didn't you blow up your 35r? Again it shows you don't know what you are talking about when tuning a car.
Looks like a stock manifold in my pic and it looks like the secondaries fit just fine.
Go get a k-series, better yet get a k24 and after you pay someone to build it for you pay them to tune it as well...
After that maybe you can have a cookie
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#1285684 - 04/23/07 12:02 AM
Re: Advise me on BIG injectors
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OnyxEros
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Better tumble (more power) Better fuel atomization (more power) Better idle Better low speed driveability Better fuel economy Cooler injectors since they arent maxing out their duty cycle
show me 5 b16's that make over 200whp don't just say "go to honda-tech" or "my boys do it 40 ways from sunday"
Again you fucked your motor so i don't suggest anyone listen to you about how to tune
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#1285691 - 04/23/07 12:04 AM
Re: Advise me on BIG injectors
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lol big boys. bigger toys? I know you arent THAT stupid.
I know its way sexier than any shit pile part on your ugly heap.
negro please you drive a stock gsr in a civic
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#1285728 - 04/23/07 12:12 AM
Re: Advise me on BIG injectors
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OnyxEros
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Euphoric the tuner on why he cracked a ringland trying to run a 35r on his stock motor
I was working with a stock motor. thats all i could afford to do.I was also tuning myself. Something id never done before. Talk to tuners and ask howmany motors theyve been through....
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#1285808 - 04/23/07 12:51 AM
Re: Advise me on BIG injectors
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lol big boys. bigger toys? I know you arent THAT stupid.
I know its way sexier than any shit pile part on your ugly heap.
negro please you drive a stock gsr in a civic
and you drive a pos sentra with some 6k n/a build thatll make 200whp.
i have a gsr?
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#1285817 - 04/23/07 12:58 AM
Re: Advise me on BIG injectors
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Better tumble (more power) Better fuel atomization (more power) Better idle Better low speed driveability Better fuel economy Cooler injectors since they arent maxing out their duty cycle
show me 5 b16's that make over 200whp don't just say "go to honda-tech" or "my boys do it 40 ways from sunday"
Again you fucked your motor so i don't suggest anyone listen to you about how to tune
this is a boosted set up. for the extra 2 hp you get from your better fuel flow on your n/a set up, he can just turn up the boost.(if he even wanted). itll be making 400 whp . an extra few ponies wont make much of a difference.A simple injector set up will in terms of install, tuning and cost.
4 injector set up is much simpler than multi set up. 1000cc or even 1600cc's will not be stressed in terms of duty cycle on a 400whp set up. just cause you wanted to be jdm with your n1 mani doesnt make it the bestest thing evAr.
as for 200whp b16's. if you dont believe it, ah well. why bother posting links? youll just come up with some other smack talk about it. LOL @ you thinking you are in some different league playing with your turd 2.0L n/a nissan 4 banger. edit:seems you are well aware of 200whp b16's. you ordered the fucking dvd.
I ordered this video a few weeks back and i must say I am impressed.
I don't drive a Honda but I am in the middle of modifying a 4cyl nissan motor for N/A duty. I must say this is far and away the best vid for understanding how our motors work and what it takes to extract power. Well chosen mods and careful assembly can do wonders.
I never knew what a 'valve job' was until this video. I had never seen the machine. I enjoyed the commentary about oversized valves and rod bearings. I also found the valve spring compressor that i will be using to do most of the dissambly work myself.
This video can easily save you $1000 in labor on your build...EASY
Geat jobs guys
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1319890&page=8
LOL
lol @ me cracking a ringland. what a blown up motor .Car had ran for a year just fine. trust me, i wouldve rather of blown it up /melted something. That wouldve been cooler. you attempt to knock me by saying I pay for shit to be done.... but quickly change to knock me for installing the turbo myself, and learning to tune myself(which I didnt even really devote a lot of time to learning). nigra pls.
its called a learning process. even your dumbass didnt know everything all the time... http://www.sr20forum.com/showthread.php?t=90347
zomg what does boring a motor do? lol tool.
hrmm . paying for someone else to do stuff , huh? http://www.sr20forum.com/showthread.php?t=144133
you're a fucking clown. take your shit a gtfo. like you are some f1 engine builder and tuner doign all kinds of shit .
lets see your resume of highly tuned engines... at 27 years old im sure you have lots!
http://www.sr20forum.com/showthread.php?t=98169
... http://www.sr20forum.com/showthread.php?t=14217
may have found a solution
Question is it ok to start the car with the valve cover off?
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1249974
I won't quote all of what Jeff says but I do agree. I am in no way a professional engine builder (in fact im not even an amateur honda builder) http://www.k20a.org/forum/showthread.php?t=25923&page=2
pot , meet kettle.
i can search forums too...
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#1286167 - 04/23/07 07:49 AM
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danl
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1600's work well on 2.0L an e85. 1000's on gas support 650 and more hp (depends a lot on your redline). Let's talk about rpm vs injector size. I'm guessing higher rpm will support more horsepower on a given injector size? I will be running the Neon up to about 7200rpm, possible a little higher. Horsepower peak will probably be at 6600-6800.
Wow, I can't shift through this bullshit arguing but your question..........
When RPM's increase you have less of a time window to open the injector. Its so bad actually that under heavy boost we will turn the injector on while the intake valve is closed to let fuel puddle up on the intake valve. Life sucks bigtime. I guess it is good at cooling the valve but who cares about intake valves overheating?
At 6000rpm's you have 20ms from which to squirt fuel. At 16ms you are at 80% duty cycle or the number I try to not go over when I'm designing a fuel system. 16ms really isn't much time hence you need big injectors.
Do figure out amount of time to squirt fuel take rpm and divide by 60 to get rev's per second. Divide by 2 to for a 4 stroke. Take the inverse of this number and you get the time in ms.
At 9000rpm's you have 13.3 ms to squirt fuel and 10.6ms at 80% duty cycle to support whatever hp you are trying to support. Ewww..........
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#1286556 - 04/23/07 10:22 AM
Re: Advise me on BIG injectors
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pot , meet kettle.
i can search forums too...
OMG you go back 3+ years to prove you know me? Thanks for the love i didn't know you cared so much
when did i ever claim to be a professional engine builder? When did i claim to work in or for a shop? When did i claim to do head work?
Nice job ass
Still doesn't prove you know how to tune or that you didn't blow up your motor trying to be hot shit.
Oh yeah you are correct it's a learning process...i try not to learn by blowing shit up.
you also claim that you didn't have enough money to do your 35r correctly...if you can't afford to do the job right don't do it at all.
And finally dual injectors are for low speed light throttle driveability not for top end. Why can't you understand it's easier to idle a 370cc injector than a 1000cc injector?? This has dick to do with who makes the most top end power it has to do with drivability
And Yes you should pay someone to tune your car since you didn't do enough research to figure out how to do it yourself
Edited by OnyxEros (04/23/07 10:26 AM)
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#1286944 - 04/23/07 11:56 AM
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1600's work well on 2.0L an e85. 1000's on gas support 650 and more hp (depends a lot on your redline). Let's talk about rpm vs injector size. I'm guessing higher rpm will support more horsepower on a given injector size? I will be running the Neon up to about 7200rpm, possible a little higher. Horsepower peak will probably be at 6600-6800. Wow, I can't shift through this bullshit arguing but your question.......... When RPM's increase you have less of a time window to open the injector. Its so bad actually that under heavy boost we will turn the injector on while the intake valve is closed to let fuel puddle up on the intake valve. Life sucks bigtime. I guess it is good at cooling the valve but who cares about intake valves overheating? At 6000rpm's you have 20ms from which to squirt fuel. At 16ms you are at 80% duty cycle or the number I try to not go over when I'm designing a fuel system. 16ms really isn't much time hence you need big injectors. Do figure out amount of time to squirt fuel take rpm and divide by 60 to get rev's per second. Divide by 2 to for a 4 stroke. Take the inverse of this number and you get the time in ms. At 9000rpm's you have 13.3 ms to squirt fuel and 10.6ms at 80% duty cycle to support whatever hp you are trying to support. Ewww..........
Thanks Dan.
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